MikeeUSA has agreed to have the political and religious discussion removed from the original submission.
I have removed the REsubmission as it is now duplicate and abridged and have restored the original (sans-politics) submission.
I'll leave this thread here for a bit, but if it starts prompting discussions that hint at an impending flame war, I'll have to lock and archive it.
Anyone with questions or comments about this, please feel free to comment here (keep it civil) or you can Private Message me (less civility required. Be as rude as you want in the PM, no one will see my tears)
Portraits are tricky with licensing. People have some legal rights regarding the use of their image beyond normal copyright issues. Celebrity faces are generally fair-use, but no license on OGA is really adherent to fair-use rules.
But I hope the tracks are useful to someone and they can always improve them as it's opensource and they have the audacity files. Also the more put out, the more likely someone might find one that is useful in their game or short movie.
I agree with that, and I appreciate you taking the time to upload the audacity files. They are still present. I can restore them, but are you willing to have the political stuff separated?
EDIT: I can't leave this situation as it is indefinitely. I've sent a PM. Let me know what you decide as soon as possible. If I don't hear back from you in about 24 hours, I'll assume you've moved on to your next project. :)
I can't speak to the Xonotic project stuff. However, the abandoned email would explain why you didn't get the original notification. I don't know if I can cross-associate the audacity file, but I'll see what I can do.
I can definitely restore the original submissions, which will preserve any favorites and links to it. That's good. But I'd have to insist on your lyrics in the original submission be removed or only available via link to a different page. I can appriciate the marriage of the political and historical aspects of the song title, but it would go a long way in demonstrating some good faith if you'd be willing to tone it down quite a bit. Something like "US election results 2016", I dunno. I'm not trying to hamstring your expression, but politics just don't go well with OGA.
Which would you prefer?
P.S. Are you able to edit your profile to update the email address? It might help a lot since the notifications rely on a working email address for each account.
No. It was unpublished because of #2) Your comment on the song comments thread was potentially inflamatory and continued to discuss politics and religion. It was to avoid a flame war building. However, it is (preferably) a temporary thing. Would you like me to republish it?
@MikeeUSA: It wasn't deleted. It was unpublished. Something I offered to undo if you'd be willing to separate the political parts of the submission. It was only unpublished after 4 days from when I asked for the political components to be separated. It was unpublished because your only response to my request was to make additional political and religious comments. Not because I disagree with your political view, but because discussion of politics and religion (in any view, including mine) are not allowed on OGA.
It wasn't silent; I sent a copy of the following comment to you via the site's automatic notification system:
@MikeeUSA: I am not familiar with the events you're referring to regarding claims that your work doesn't exist. I think you should definitely get credit where credit is due.... but breaking the rules of a community that tries to help with that is not the best way to do it.
I am not against discussing religion or politics. I'm against discussing them here.
I would never claim your work doesn't exist, but it won't exist here if you remain unable to separate your work from the discussion of religion or politics.
I was hoping for a response that indicated a bit more willingness to compromise. I have to remove this submission for now because it is firmly in the territory of discussing politics and religion, but I'm willing to discuss your concerns and frustrations if you would like to PM me. http://opengameart.org/messages/new/3656?destination=user/3656
The offer is still on the table if you'd be willing to keep the politics separate. I can restore the original submission if you'd like. It even has the audacity file. You'll notice I haven't "censored" your resubmission either. Mostly because that one actually has most of the political stuff removed... which is all I was asking for in the first place, man.
Hold a grudge if you want, but you'll be holding it against a fan of your work.
Like everyone who's posted here so far, Snabisch is a fairly regular submitter and participates in this community. I agree most of his comments are unneccessary, but he's generally friendly and receptive to polite, constructive criticm. :)
@MikeeUSA: I am not familiar with the events you're referring to regarding claims that your work doesn't exist. I think you should definitely get credit where credit is due.... but breaking the rules of a community that tries to help with that is not the best way to do it.
I am not against discussing religion or politics. I'm against discussing them here.
I would never claim your work doesn't exist, but it won't exist here if you remain unable to separate your work from the discussion of religion or politics.
I was hoping for a response that indicated a bit more willingness to compromise. I have to remove this submission for now because it is firmly in the territory of discussing politics and religion, but I'm willing to discuss your concerns and frustrations if you would like to PM me. http://opengameart.org/messages/new
I'd love to put this post back if you'd be willing to move the political parts to your personal site or the like. :)
EDIT: The discussion of politics and religion have been removed per MikeeUSA. Submission republished. :)
Some people have specific ways they want to be credited, like "include a link to my page www.artistspage.corn", but if no attribution instructions are included, displaying the track name + the artists name/handle + the license on your credits page is usually sufficient.
"Raging Turtle Attack song by Vincent Babylon CC-BY 3.0" or whatever.
EDIT: The discussion of politics and religion have been removed per MikeeUSA. Submission republished. :)
This is great and all, but the description is certainly political. I have no comment on either side of this sort of political discussion, but OGA generally tries to stay out of (or separate from) politics. There was a similar set of submissions a while back (on the opposite side of this political topic, so please do not feel I'm going after this because of which side it leans) and bart had to get involved. He was rather pissed he had to come be the parental figure when the discussion got childish.
I would link to it, but ultimately it was taken down since political discussion isn't allowed on OGA (and by extension, political submissions "skirt the line" of that rule.)
Would you be willing to make the submission here politically agnostic? I don't think there's a problem if you want to link to your own page where you suggest lyrics for the song (maybe?) but I'm guessing it's going to get heated quickly and I'd rather avoid a political flame war here on OGA.
This isn't a demand. Just a friendly request at this point. As bart said:
"I respect your right to express yourself politically, and I believe that if video games are to be taken seriously, then games and the art contained therein need to be able to used for political expression. On the other hand, I'm faced with a bit of a juggling act with this kind of thing, because ultimately too much of this kind of thing will turn the community toxic..."
MikeeUSA has agreed to have the political and religious discussion removed from the original submission.
I have removed the REsubmission as it is now duplicate and abridged and have restored the original (sans-politics) submission.
I'll leave this thread here for a bit, but if it starts prompting discussions that hint at an impending flame war, I'll have to lock and archive it.
Anyone with questions or comments about this, please feel free to comment here (keep it civil) or you can Private Message me (less civility required. Be as rude as you want in the PM, no one will see my tears)
Portraits are tricky with licensing. People have some legal rights regarding the use of their image beyond normal copyright issues. Celebrity faces are generally fair-use, but no license on OGA is really adherent to fair-use rules.
See discussion on http://opengameart.org/content/someones-pixel-portrait
Would you be willing to retitle & relabel it? In the meantime, I'm marking it as having licensing issues.
I agree with that, and I appreciate you taking the time to upload the audacity files. They are still present. I can restore them, but are you willing to have the political stuff separated?
EDIT: I can't leave this situation as it is indefinitely. I've sent a PM. Let me know what you decide as soon as possible. If I don't hear back from you in about 24 hours, I'll assume you've moved on to your next project. :)
I can't speak to the Xonotic project stuff. However, the abandoned email would explain why you didn't get the original notification. I don't know if I can cross-associate the audacity file, but I'll see what I can do.
I can definitely restore the original submissions, which will preserve any favorites and links to it. That's good. But I'd have to insist on your lyrics in the original submission be removed or only available via link to a different page. I can appriciate the marriage of the political and historical aspects of the song title, but it would go a long way in demonstrating some good faith if you'd be willing to tone it down quite a bit. Something like "US election results 2016", I dunno. I'm not trying to hamstring your expression, but politics just don't go well with OGA.
Which would you prefer?
P.S. Are you able to edit your profile to update the email address? It might help a lot since the notifications rely on a working email address for each account.
No. It was unpublished because of #2) Your comment on the song comments thread was potentially inflamatory and continued to discuss politics and religion. It was to avoid a flame war building. However, it is (preferably) a temporary thing. Would you like me to republish it?
@MikeeUSA: It wasn't deleted. It was unpublished. Something I offered to undo if you'd be willing to separate the political parts of the submission. It was only unpublished after 4 days from when I asked for the political components to be separated. It was unpublished because your only response to my request was to make additional political and religious comments. Not because I disagree with your political view, but because discussion of politics and religion (in any view, including mine) are not allowed on OGA.
It wasn't silent; I sent a copy of the following comment to you via the site's automatic notification system:
The offer is still on the table if you'd be willing to keep the politics separate. I can restore the original submission if you'd like. It even has the audacity file. You'll notice I haven't "censored" your resubmission either. Mostly because that one actually has most of the political stuff removed... which is all I was asking for in the first place, man.
Hold a grudge if you want, but you'll be holding it against a fan of your work.
EDIT: @Moderators for reference: http://opengameart.org/content/keyboard-jam-session-keyboardjamsession2016
Like everyone who's posted here so far, Snabisch is a fairly regular submitter and participates in this community. I agree most of his comments are unneccessary, but he's generally friendly and receptive to polite, constructive criticm. :)
@MikeeUSA: I am not familiar with the events you're referring to regarding claims that your work doesn't exist. I think you should definitely get credit where credit is due.... but breaking the rules of a community that tries to help with that is not the best way to do it.
I am not against discussing religion or politics. I'm against discussing them here.
I would never claim your work doesn't exist, but it won't exist here if you remain unable to separate your work from the discussion of religion or politics.
I was hoping for a response that indicated a bit more willingness to compromise. I have to remove this submission for now because it is firmly in the territory of discussing politics and religion, but I'm willing to discuss your concerns and frustrations if you would like to PM me. http://opengameart.org/messages/newI'd love to put this post back if you'd be willing to move the political parts to your personal site or the like. :)EDIT: The discussion of politics and religion have been removed per MikeeUSA. Submission republished. :)
Yes. :)
Some people have specific ways they want to be credited, like "include a link to my page www.artistspage.corn", but if no attribution instructions are included, displaying the track name + the artists name/handle + the license on your credits page is usually sufficient.
"Raging Turtle Attack song by Vincent Babylon CC-BY 3.0" or whatever.
EDIT: The discussion of politics and religion have been removed per MikeeUSA. Submission republished. :)
This is great and all,
but the description is certainly political. I have no comment on either side of this sort of political discussion, but OGA generally tries to stay out of (or separate from) politics. There was a similar set of submissions a while back (on the opposite side of this political topic, so please do not feel I'm going after this because of which side it leans) and bart had to get involved. He was rather pissed he had to come be the parental figure when the discussion got childish.I would link to it, but ultimately it was taken down since political discussion isn't allowed on OGA (and by extension, political submissions "skirt the line" of that rule.)
Would you be willing to make the submission here politically agnostic? I don't think there's a problem if you want to link to your own page where you suggest lyrics for the song (maybe?) but I'm guessing it's going to get heated quickly and I'd rather avoid a political flame war here on OGA.
This isn't a demand. Just a friendly request at this point. As bart said:
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