@Justanasian: He isn't currently, but he was intimately afilliated with Mojang at the time he made Infinite Mario, which is what this submission is referencing. :)
Sorry, i don't think it's too much to ask artists to include more tags than just "soundtrack" and "music". I'm not talking about submitters like joth; his tags have the kind of categorical descriptions we need. Those are far from the majority, though. If submitters don't want anyone to ever find their submissions, then by all means don't take the 60 seconds it requires to give more than two descriptive tags to your music.
If it's just a palette shift or programmatic modification, that would not constitute a derivative. Also, a color change as simple as a hue shift in GIMP is almost never considered a change sufficient to be considered a derivative or trigger the -SA clause. The law in this case is sensitive to what a "reasonable person" would consider more than a trivial change. palette swaps rarely exceed that.
A good rule of thumb is to ask yourself if a "reasonable" intermediately skilled GIMP user could achieve the same changes in about 2 minutes or less, it's probably not really a "derivative". If it would take such a person longer than that, best to consider it a derivative and share the changes under CC-BY-SA and giving credit to the original artist as appropriate.
I agree with Chasersgaming's and Joth's idea about musical subcategories. That could be a possibility in OGA3, but I'm wondering if it would be very helpful. I think we had something similar for textures, but the feature was removed. I'll have to ask bart why it didn't work out. Nothing prevents submitters from using tags like "soft", "tranquil", etc. Seems like a lot of music submissions lack tags describing the music's mood. I like this list I'm seeing here:
I certainly like Y'all's initial list of "80s", "Nostalgia", "Traditional Asian", "Space", "JRPG", "Chill", "Chiptune", "Retro", Sci-Fi", "Underwater", "Fantasy", "Tranquil", "Peaceful", "Soft". A good start. What are some others?
Thanks, Saliv. I did indeed listen to a lot of Joth's submissions at your suggestion and found some fairly good examples of what I'm talking about. :) Also, yes collections are a pretty solid way to find hidden gems. If someone else thought it was decent enough to hoard it, chances are you'll find something good there, too.
As for external examples of what I mean... The Elder Scrolls games do a pretty good job with "gentle" music. Probably because they're such open-world concepts. Every game I use as an example is in context to the other music of that game. So what I would call "gentle" music in Chrono Trigger could only be called that in comparision to the other songs from Chrono Trigger, but those same songs compared to the music of Skyrim might not be considered very gentle at all. I hope that's more helpful than it is confusing. :P
Oblivion: Not all the music qualifies, obviously, but here are the ones that stood out to me as "gentle" background-ish, doesn't-get-annoying-on-repeat music. A lot of Oblivions music starts to sound similar, but that's probably because it was designed as a cohesive self-consistent soundtrack :
I was thinking of including several examples from Legend of Zelda - Breath of the Wild or Twilight Princess but those OSTs have a lot of atonal cutting parts. I like them for sure, but they don't do as well on repeat and certainly don't convey the gentleness I'm referencing. Some I would even call "calm", but I wouldn't say any of them are very "gentle". LoZ-TP Hyrule Field Night and Cave being decent exceptions.
Chrono Trigger has a lot of songs that do pretty well on repeat. They don't get very annoying after several loops (although this is controversial; Some people feel that every song on this OST is irritating on the first listen :) The songs are rarely subtle, though, and are usually in the foreground of my inner ear rather than the background. With that caviat in mind, some notable examples IMHO:
Confusing Melody By my own definition, this one could be said to not do well on repeat, but only becase the very purpose of the melody is to unsettle the player.
@TheOuterLinux: what are you suggesting as an alternative? I can definitely see how that is not a good look, but saying "this plan sucks" doesn't count as an alternative plan.
Why not have all the brick textures together in one submission?
P.S. There is no need to specify the tag "texture" when this is already in the Texture art type. See https://opengameart.org/content/art-tags for effective tagging tips.
Unfortunately, the licensing is unclear for these assets, not just because of Nintendo's possible stake in the derived assets, but also because there is no clear indication of what license Notch indented these to fall under. The source code at that archive link indicates it is public domain, but does that include the art assets? If so, why is this listed under GPL? If any poriton of these were in fact derived from mario assets, then it is nither GPL nor public domain.
Perhaps I am misunderstanding the description. I assumed it was saying these were created by Notch, but is it instead saying these were created by OP to replace the assets in the game that was created by notch?
If that is the case, did these assets use any component of mario bros assets? Were mario bros assets used as a base, guide, or reference in making the assets above?
@Justanasian: He isn't currently, but he was intimately afilliated with Mojang at the time he made Infinite Mario, which is what this submission is referencing. :)
That is gorgeous! Extrapolating from your rates above, a scene like the "agift" one would cost me about $416? :)
Sorry, i don't think it's too much to ask artists to include more tags than just "soundtrack" and "music". I'm not talking about submitters like joth; his tags have the kind of categorical descriptions we need. Those are far from the majority, though. If submitters don't want anyone to ever find their submissions, then by all means don't take the 60 seconds it requires to give more than two descriptive tags to your music.
If it's just a palette shift or programmatic modification, that would not constitute a derivative. Also, a color change as simple as a hue shift in GIMP is almost never considered a change sufficient to be considered a derivative or trigger the -SA clause. The law in this case is sensitive to what a "reasonable person" would consider more than a trivial change. palette swaps rarely exceed that.
A good rule of thumb is to ask yourself if a "reasonable" intermediately skilled GIMP user could achieve the same changes in about 2 minutes or less, it's probably not really a "derivative". If it would take such a person longer than that, best to consider it a derivative and share the changes under CC-BY-SA and giving credit to the original artist as appropriate.
That does indeed clear things up. Thanks!
I agree with Chasersgaming's and Joth's idea about musical subcategories. That could be a possibility in OGA3, but I'm wondering if it would be very helpful. I think we had something similar for textures, but the feature was removed. I'll have to ask bart why it didn't work out. Nothing prevents submitters from using tags like "soft", "tranquil", etc. Seems like a lot of music submissions lack tags describing the music's mood. I like this list I'm seeing here:
I certainly like Y'all's initial list of "80s", "Nostalgia", "Traditional Asian", "Space", "JRPG", "Chill", "Chiptune", "Retro", Sci-Fi", "Underwater", "Fantasy", "Tranquil", "Peaceful", "Soft". A good start. What are some others?
Thanks, Saliv. I did indeed listen to a lot of Joth's submissions at your suggestion and found some fairly good examples of what I'm talking about. :) Also, yes collections are a pretty solid way to find hidden gems. If someone else thought it was decent enough to hoard it, chances are you'll find something good there, too.
As for external examples of what I mean... The Elder Scrolls games do a pretty good job with "gentle" music. Probably because they're such open-world concepts. Every game I use as an example is in context to the other music of that game. So what I would call "gentle" music in Chrono Trigger could only be called that in comparision to the other songs from Chrono Trigger, but those same songs compared to the music of Skyrim might not be considered very gentle at all. I hope that's more helpful than it is confusing. :P
Oblivion: Not all the music qualifies, obviously, but here are the ones that stood out to me as "gentle" background-ish, doesn't-get-annoying-on-repeat music. A lot of Oblivions music starts to sound similar, but that's probably because it was designed as a cohesive self-consistent soundtrack :
I was thinking of including several examples from Legend of Zelda - Breath of the Wild or Twilight Princess but those OSTs have a lot of atonal cutting parts. I like them for sure, but they don't do as well on repeat and certainly don't convey the gentleness I'm referencing. Some I would even call "calm", but I wouldn't say any of them are very "gentle". LoZ-TP Hyrule Field Night and Cave being decent exceptions.
Chrono Trigger has a lot of songs that do pretty well on repeat. They don't get very annoying after several loops (although this is controversial; Some people feel that every song on this OST is irritating on the first listen :) The songs are rarely subtle, though, and are usually in the foreground of my inner ear rather than the background. With that caviat in mind, some notable examples IMHO:
I think it's pretty clear you were inspired by FTL, but I doubt anyone would think you ripped it off. :) good song!
@TheOuterLinux: what are you suggesting as an alternative? I can definitely see how that is not a good look, but saying "this plan sucks" doesn't count as an alternative plan.
A nice texture.
Why not have all the brick textures together in one submission?
P.S. There is no need to specify the tag "texture" when this is already in the Texture art type. See https://opengameart.org/content/art-tags for effective tagging tips.
Good find dulsi.
Unfortunately, the licensing is unclear for these assets, not just because of Nintendo's possible stake in the derived assets, but also because there is no clear indication of what license Notch indented these to fall under. The source code at that archive link indicates it is public domain, but does that include the art assets? If so, why is this listed under GPL? If any poriton of these were in fact derived from mario assets, then it is nither GPL nor public domain.
Perhaps I am misunderstanding the description. I assumed it was saying these were created by Notch, but is it instead saying these were created by OP to replace the assets in the game that was created by notch?
If that is the case, did these assets use any component of mario bros assets? Were mario bros assets used as a base, guide, or reference in making the assets above?
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