His IP was never shared. Only compared to existing logs, which was before his account was deleted. The IP address log was deleted along with his account. I was not aware of any other duion submissions still present. Again, I had to rely on Duion to tell me where they were. I'll work on deleting this latest list and, if I come across others, I'll proactively remove those per his request. However, it is a manual process so it takes some time.
To reiterate, comments will not be removed. They contain no personal information. Deleting comments that are part of existing disussions damages the integrity of those records.
@Boruvkov: Also, "acting as a correspondence" qualifies as an alias account. You may post once more as a surrogate without repercussions. After that, any posts, edits, or action "on behalf of duion" will result in your ban as well. Make that last post count. Get all the information in that you need. It's not going to be allowed after that. You have not posted anything offensive or insulting on duions behalf. I appreciate that. You are responsible for your own account even when acting on other's behalf, so use judgment when relaying that last correspondence from duion. You will be accountable if you relay his incivility as well.
As for the oversaturated platformer market, maybe so, but any platformer that does something novel is going to be something worth playing... and I've never seen a platformer involving a wheelchair, so I'll certainly enjoy playing it when you've got a demo ready. :)
Looks like a lot has been discussed while I was finishing that up. Seems like Duion failed to understand (again) what I was saying. When I said "Don't bother responding. we're done." I was not saying "I'm stealing your content and posting as anonymous just to spite you!" I was saying "now that you've indicated everything you want deleted, there is no need for you to say anything else. We're done communicating. You can leave now."
@Duion: if you had bothered to look at the links you yourself indicated before going on this latest rant, you'd notice they were all deleted already long ago. Looks like a few other users noticed and even tried to tell you so. It was your own actions that made it take such a long time to remove the rest of your content. Yes, as you said, it would have been much easier and faster if you just requested deletion of your account OR clicked the deletion button on your submissions. The first would have been simplest, but requires an admin action. The latter requires no admin action since it is immediate and automatic. Instead, you changed all your submissions, without deleting them, to display what I can only assume was more of the same offensive and insulting nonsense we've seen here. I even see an indication in the system that the download files you replaced contained something suspicious or harmful. I don't know if you'd actually upload malware to your own submissions in some twisted attempt at a scorched earth policy (the files were "reverted" by the system before you sent your request for account deletion), but I'm afraid I no longer have enough faith left in your common decency to rule that out. As for the forum comments, those will have to stay in place. Not only do I have no way to track down all the anonymous comments (and it seems you don't know where they all are either), but deleting them undermines the conversations they are a part of. As much as I'd like to delete all the insulting nonsense you've said on the forum, it needs to remain to preserve the thread histories. Integral also for showing an uncensored version of events.
@everyone else: I apologize for the drama here. My intent was to grant duion the request for removal he made and allow us all to move on with our lives as quickly as possible. Unfortunately, that was dragged out much longer than anyone wanted. If anyone feels my actions were inappropriate or has questions about what happened or how OGA handles data privacy, I will do my best to answer.
@dimensionscape: "The admins here have to retain an image of civility, but I do not" As an admin, I certainly should be doing my best to retain an image of civility. Although my aggrivation with duion was apparent and did not live up to that standard, my actions were never done in malice. However, as an admin, I would request that everyone try to support an image of civility, even when others are being unreasonable. "Don't feed the trolls" as they say. After all, Duion was banned for being uncivil, albeit repeatedly and after ample opportunity to correct behavior.
He has not stopped being uncivil and continues to be insulting and rude. He was given multiple warnings before being banned, of course, but it still continues. I had hoped duion would take this opportunity to give his side of the story and say what he wanted to say without being "censored". Duion has indeed taken that opportunity, but only to show us why he was repeatedly banned in the past.
@Duion: The posts you've made from this new account have started out mostly-reasonable-if-not-accurate and have descended into a flame war of personal attacks. I have tried to give you as much time as possible for you to express any outstanding greivances. It has been over 2 days since you initated this thread with no restrictions on what you could say or how. If this is what you were aching to say when the admins "censored" your free speech, you have nothing to say that you haven't already said. As you claim, you have the right to be forgotten. Request granted: I will be excercising that right on your behalf: The Duion2 and all future alias accounts will be banned immediately.
For anyone wanting to understand the situation more, this is a timeline of the events as best as I could determine from the information available:
Duion is rude, progressively becoming more insulting in forums and other people's submissions: [example] [example]
Unacceptable behavior continues. Botanic provides a gentle reminder (hinting at duion) to keep conversation civil.
Unacceptable behavior continues. Botanic issues ban warning to Duion directly. Offers to hear him out in PM or IRC
Unacceptable behavior continues. Botanic bans Duion for 1 week. Reiterates offer to talk via PM or IRC.
Unacceptable behavior continues. MedicineStorm bans Duion for 1 weekagain. Indicates next ban will be perminant. Offers to listen to anything Duion would like to say via PM or IRC.
Instead of requesting submission deletion (Duion used it before when a submission was accidentally duplicated, so duion knows the function is available and what it does) Duion modifies many (all?) of his submissions to display insulting text, suspicious links, and (possibly?) harmful download files. Duion is not banned or deleted at this time, but still does not contact an admin via PM, the forums, IRC, or email about a desire to not be associated with OGA or have information removed from the site.
Site anti-spam system and/or users flag his altered submissions as suspicious. Control over the submissions is separated from the Duion account ("change reverted") to prevent the "hacker" from further damaging the compromized account(?)
Duion contacts medicinestorm via site's removal request form. (weird how he found it so fast AFTER spending hours modifying his submissions)
MedicineStorm verifies the IP addresses used by Duion as being the same as user Duion2, to ensure 3rd party is not spoofing.
Per duion's request MedicineStorm deletes the Duion account. Unaware that some (all?) of the "suspicious" submissions were separated from duion's account. Account and personal information was erased, but separated submissions no longer had a parent account and were designated "anonymous".
Conversation is continued in PM to Duion2 (see copy of conversation above)
Duion indicates some submissions are still present but listed "anonymous".
Since there is no parent account, there is no way to delete them all automatically or even find the user they're associated with. Each submission must be individually found and removed one at a time. There are other anonymous submissions in the archive unrelated to Duion, so caution was necessary.
Duion believes (again) admins are corrupt, posts conspiracy of theft and censorship on forum (this thread)
MedicineStorm loses patience, discontinues participation in the nonsense discussion while the remainder of the submissions are removed.
Unacceptable behavior continues. Duion2 and all other alias accounts are banned perminantly.
Questions about this are welcome, disagreements with mine or others actions may be voiced, but if the conversation deteriorates and becomes uncivil after this I will have to lock the thread.
No, it really isn't illegal, actually; That would be censorship. Even if it were illegal, it would only take one of us to consent, and since you seem determined to air this publicly, I hereby consent to publicizing the conversation. It is also not illegal to publish works anonymously, accidentally or otherwise.
Yes it does seem that none of the data you submitted was deleted, just your personal profile and account details. That certainly wasn't intentional. My intent was that all your submitted data would be deleted with your account. However, as far as I can tell, other users or the anti-spam module flagged your account as suspicious or spam. I'm not the greatest expert on the framework, so I couldn't begin to tell you why that prevented your submissions and comments from being deleted. I can assure you I certainly don't have the patience to individually and manually change each submission and comment to "anonymous".
I didn't have any issue with you removing your submissions. As far as I'm concerned, you should be able to do with your work what you want, and I was perfectly willing to help with that, but *legally* (your primary concern, apparently), CC0 means you've dedicated it to the public. You can't make people stop using it. It is not illegal to publish CC0 works without credit nor permission. Again, that is not what was intended. I don't want to steal your work. I don't even care.
What I DO have an issue with, is you wasting my time, insulting me for it, then blaming me for the exact kind of twisted behavior that caused all this. If you or anyone else wants to help you with this, fine with me. I won't stop you, but I'm done being treated like a jerk for trying to help.
Troll has been re-eliminated. Thanks for the prompt, bluecarrot.
Right!? Botanic to the rescue. The certbot needed an update. Botanic had it fixed before noon Eastern Time.
Yep. See https://opengameart.org/forumtopic/site-security-certificate-issue
Yikes! thanks for the notice, I'll check into it ASAP.
His IP was never shared. Only compared to existing logs, which was before his account was deleted. The IP address log was deleted along with his account. I was not aware of any other duion submissions still present. Again, I had to rely on Duion to tell me where they were. I'll work on deleting this latest list and, if I come across others, I'll proactively remove those per his request. However, it is a manual process so it takes some time.
To reiterate, comments will not be removed. They contain no personal information. Deleting comments that are part of existing disussions damages the integrity of those records.
@Boruvkov: Also, "acting as a correspondence" qualifies as an alias account. You may post once more as a surrogate without repercussions. After that, any posts, edits, or action "on behalf of duion" will result in your ban as well. Make that last post count. Get all the information in that you need. It's not going to be allowed after that. You have not posted anything offensive or insulting on duions behalf. I appreciate that. You are responsible for your own account even when acting on other's behalf, so use judgment when relaying that last correspondence from duion. You will be accountable if you relay his incivility as well.
well, it isn't 2D, but this 3D model might get you started if you can prerender it into a 64x64 image: https://opengameart.org/content/wheelchair
Would that work until an artist joins in?
As for the oversaturated platformer market, maybe so, but any platformer that does something novel is going to be something worth playing... and I've never seen a platformer involving a wheelchair, so I'll certainly enjoy playing it when you've got a demo ready. :)
Looks like a lot has been discussed while I was finishing that up. Seems like Duion failed to understand (again) what I was saying. When I said "Don't bother responding. we're done." I was not saying "I'm stealing your content and posting as anonymous just to spite you!" I was saying "now that you've indicated everything you want deleted, there is no need for you to say anything else. We're done communicating. You can leave now."
@Duion: if you had bothered to look at the links you yourself indicated before going on this latest rant, you'd notice they were all deleted already long ago. Looks like a few other users noticed and even tried to tell you so. It was your own actions that made it take such a long time to remove the rest of your content. Yes, as you said, it would have been much easier and faster if you just requested deletion of your account OR clicked the deletion button on your submissions. The first would have been simplest, but requires an admin action. The latter requires no admin action since it is immediate and automatic. Instead, you changed all your submissions, without deleting them, to display what I can only assume was more of the same offensive and insulting nonsense we've seen here. I even see an indication in the system that the download files you replaced contained something suspicious or harmful. I don't know if you'd actually upload malware to your own submissions in some twisted attempt at a scorched earth policy (the files were "reverted" by the system before you sent your request for account deletion), but I'm afraid I no longer have enough faith left in your common decency to rule that out. As for the forum comments, those will have to stay in place. Not only do I have no way to track down all the anonymous comments (and it seems you don't know where they all are either), but deleting them undermines the conversations they are a part of. As much as I'd like to delete all the insulting nonsense you've said on the forum, it needs to remain to preserve the thread histories. Integral also for showing an uncensored version of events.
@everyone else: I apologize for the drama here. My intent was to grant duion the request for removal he made and allow us all to move on with our lives as quickly as possible. Unfortunately, that was dragged out much longer than anyone wanted. If anyone feels my actions were inappropriate or has questions about what happened or how OGA handles data privacy, I will do my best to answer.
@dimensionscape: "The admins here have to retain an image of civility, but I do not" As an admin, I certainly should be doing my best to retain an image of civility. Although my aggrivation with duion was apparent and did not live up to that standard, my actions were never done in malice. However, as an admin, I would request that everyone try to support an image of civility, even when others are being unreasonable. "Don't feed the trolls" as they say. After all, Duion was banned for being uncivil, albeit repeatedly and after ample opportunity to correct behavior.
He has not stopped being uncivil and continues to be insulting and rude. He was given multiple warnings before being banned, of course, but it still continues. I had hoped duion would take this opportunity to give his side of the story and say what he wanted to say without being "censored". Duion has indeed taken that opportunity, but only to show us why he was repeatedly banned in the past.
@Duion: The posts you've made from this new account have started out mostly-reasonable-if-not-accurate and have descended into a flame war of personal attacks. I have tried to give you as much time as possible for you to express any outstanding greivances. It has been over 2 days since you initated this thread with no restrictions on what you could say or how. If this is what you were aching to say when the admins "censored" your free speech, you have nothing to say that you haven't already said. As you claim, you have the right to be forgotten. Request granted: I will be excercising that right on your behalf: The Duion2 and all future alias accounts will be banned immediately.
For anyone wanting to understand the situation more, this is a timeline of the events as best as I could determine from the information available:
Questions about this are welcome, disagreements with mine or others actions may be voiced, but if the conversation deteriorates and becomes uncivil after this I will have to lock the thread.
^Seconded. I love this kind of collaboration. Well done, drummyfish and Cethiel.
It's candy for my eyes. I love it all!
No, it really isn't illegal, actually; That would be censorship. Even if it were illegal, it would only take one of us to consent, and since you seem determined to air this publicly, I hereby consent to publicizing the conversation. It is also not illegal to publish works anonymously, accidentally or otherwise.
Yes it does seem that none of the data you submitted was deleted, just your personal profile and account details. That certainly wasn't intentional. My intent was that all your submitted data would be deleted with your account. However, as far as I can tell, other users or the anti-spam module flagged your account as suspicious or spam. I'm not the greatest expert on the framework, so I couldn't begin to tell you why that prevented your submissions and comments from being deleted. I can assure you I certainly don't have the patience to individually and manually change each submission and comment to "anonymous".
I didn't have any issue with you removing your submissions. As far as I'm concerned, you should be able to do with your work what you want, and I was perfectly willing to help with that, but *legally* (your primary concern, apparently), CC0 means you've dedicated it to the public. You can't make people stop using it. It is not illegal to publish CC0 works without credit nor permission. Again, that is not what was intended. I don't want to steal your work. I don't even care.
What I DO have an issue with, is you wasting my time, insulting me for it, then blaming me for the exact kind of twisted behavior that caused all this. If you or anyone else wants to help you with this, fine with me. I won't stop you, but I'm done being treated like a jerk for trying to help.
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