Ah, thanks for sharing that link. I can bookmark it. Evert is willing to support OGA-BY as long as the original assets are, but wasn't aware that they actually were.
Redshrike, Wulax, and Makrohn are among the ones who added universal OGA-BY support. We should be good there, but I'd rather wait for a response from Evert on that one assuming Evert is even still active here.
"About licensing: I'd love to make this OGA-BY, but to the best of my knowledge the originals these are derived from do not include that licence. Do let me know if that is incorrect."
Heh, okay. I was just forwarded to these assets. I have dug into all of this and yes, the base assets are in OGA-BY. MedicineStorm reached out to a lot of people asking for confirmation on this. That being said, MANY creators early on supported the ability for their assets to be usable in DRM environments (basically Steam / Mobile) long before OGA-BY existed anyway. Including Redshrike and Wulax.
It'd be great if this did have OGA-BY support, then I could add them to the Expanded ULPC and start filling out animation frames for various assets:
Keep in mind, only the body model itself is OGA-BY. I'm not aware of the rest of the assets, we'd have to check them on a case-by-case basis.
As far as I am aware, Redshrike, Wulax, and Makrohn added support for OGA-BY, as have I. Daneeklu I haven't seen any evidence did, while Joe White I don't know. But IMO the most important thing is the body models anyway.
EDIT: I see, so Grab is by Daneeklu. Yeah, that's where the blocker is for that one.
As for the body models:
I -think- Pregnant and Muscular do not support OGA-BY. Male, Female, and "Teen" all do.
Mostly because I couldn't find them, they weren't in any of the common places. Eliza didn't have them and they weren't in the repo either (in the ULPC repo, idle/sit/jump/run were in there, they just weren't in the spritesheet yet).
Plus, those assets appear to all be in CC-BY-SA 3.0. So we'd have to make the entire base body model set CC-BY-SA 3.0 as well when they're all currently OGA-BY 3.0, CC-BY 3.0, and CC-BY-SA 3.0.
Its possible push/grab/carry wouldn't be that hard to animate. Its based on the standard walk cycle, so we might be able to start from the same walk animations. However, there is a bit of a problem--the arms do move around. So that would require more effort.
Maybe there's a way I can still include them and just say Push/Carry/Grab are (for now) only CC-BY-SA 3.0 even though the rest of the assets are OGA-BY and CC-BY / CC-BY-SA.
Either way, though, I do intend on eventually adding more animations as they are available. However, I don't intend on adding new ones on a whim. I'd prefer to just drop them in when there's a good chunk available to add. Also, push/pull isn't _that_ necessary. We can just have a basic push just by walking into an object.
One of these days I'll finish my new hairstyles. The only reason I haven't added them yet is because the animation is such a pain. Its also why I've been nervous about porting other hairstyles to run/jump/etc. Eliza's hairstyles were already done. That being said, maybe for most hairstyles, just a few skews on run and jump is fine...
I don't like these attribution lists very much. It loses all formatting. I tried uploading a credits.rtf file which is a lot cleaner, but the file was denied. Boo.
I left some comments in the OGA discord, but I'll drop them here, too.
There's no overall guidelines to my knowledge. Just add what you like. You don't even have to add the assets to the generators yourself, as long as the licensing is correct someone actively working on it may/will eventually add it. You do as much to create new assets as you are comfortable with.
I will note one thing, though:
While there are no guidelines, there is a general rule that has happened over time. If you check out the ULPC, a lot of assets follow a preset list of existing palettes. I have gone ahead and catalogued these palettes to make it easier to track, you can find them here:
If you stick to this palette list, keeping the number of colors you use relatively low (typically six), it'll make it a lot easier to create a bunch of recolors. I use bluecarrot's lpctools to handle the recolors quickly, and the .json files in that directory above are designed to work in lpctools. This can greatly expand the utility of a single asset, adding way more options.
Finally got this one out... I was going to release this last week but I suffered a hard drive failure and almost lost a lot of data. Not my sprite assets or anything, but still other important documents. So I've been struggling to recover everything since. Thankfully I did get back my data but the hard drive is pretty damaged and is VERY slow to transfer things off of. This also delayed me in working on further assets.
I also have been distracted with a couple of other things lately. That's the main reason I opted to go for just finishing the hat assets instead of continuing working on armor or clothing. Clothing takes a lot more work. I think I'm going to finish up the Male LPC Revised clothes next at this point, but I did START working on Armor. I have two sets of body armor completed now, but there's still tons more to go. Originally I was going to include the helmets with the armor, but the helmets are already done, so I figured I'd just drop them in this set.
I do wonder if maybe I keep going a bit overboard in adding as many separate frame layers as possible. I just like having more options, but perhaps its not needed all the time... typically I have been doing it when one asset uses a couple of different colors. The Magic Hats and Bluecarrot's Pirate Hats are the most notable situations here. There's a few helmets where I could have done the same, but I didn't bother doing that at the time (I did helmets about 6 months ago).
I just noticed this now. I was a bit concerned by the layout, I thought you were providing the downloads without simply linking back to the sources. But no, this looks good. You're describing each item, saying who makes it, and the download links actually go to the pages where the extensions are. That's fine, though I do think maybe the Download link should say "Go To Website" instead.
Ah, thanks for sharing that link. I can bookmark it. Evert is willing to support OGA-BY as long as the original assets are, but wasn't aware that they actually were.
Redshrike, Wulax, and Makrohn are among the ones who added universal OGA-BY support. We should be good there, but I'd rather wait for a response from Evert on that one assuming Evert is even still active here.
"About licensing: I'd love to make this OGA-BY, but to the best of my knowledge the originals these are derived from do not include that licence. Do let me know if that is incorrect."
Heh, okay. I was just forwarded to these assets. I have dug into all of this and yes, the base assets are in OGA-BY. MedicineStorm reached out to a lot of people asking for confirmation on this. That being said, MANY creators early on supported the ability for their assets to be usable in DRM environments (basically Steam / Mobile) long before OGA-BY existed anyway. Including Redshrike and Wulax.
It'd be great if this did have OGA-BY support, then I could add them to the Expanded ULPC and start filling out animation frames for various assets:
https://opengameart.org/content/expanded-universal-lpc-spritesheet-idle-...
Keep in mind, only the body model itself is OGA-BY. I'm not aware of the rest of the assets, we'd have to check them on a case-by-case basis.
As far as I am aware, Redshrike, Wulax, and Makrohn added support for OGA-BY, as have I. Daneeklu I haven't seen any evidence did, while Joe White I don't know. But IMO the most important thing is the body models anyway.
EDIT: I see, so Grab is by Daneeklu. Yeah, that's where the blocker is for that one.
As for the body models:
I -think- Pregnant and Muscular do not support OGA-BY. Male, Female, and "Teen" all do.
Mostly because I couldn't find them, they weren't in any of the common places. Eliza didn't have them and they weren't in the repo either (in the ULPC repo, idle/sit/jump/run were in there, they just weren't in the spritesheet yet).
Plus, those assets appear to all be in CC-BY-SA 3.0. So we'd have to make the entire base body model set CC-BY-SA 3.0 as well when they're all currently OGA-BY 3.0, CC-BY 3.0, and CC-BY-SA 3.0.
Its possible push/grab/carry wouldn't be that hard to animate. Its based on the standard walk cycle, so we might be able to start from the same walk animations. However, there is a bit of a problem--the arms do move around. So that would require more effort.
Maybe there's a way I can still include them and just say Push/Carry/Grab are (for now) only CC-BY-SA 3.0 even though the rest of the assets are OGA-BY and CC-BY / CC-BY-SA.
Either way, though, I do intend on eventually adding more animations as they are available. However, I don't intend on adding new ones on a whim. I'd prefer to just drop them in when there's a good chunk available to add. Also, push/pull isn't _that_ necessary. We can just have a basic push just by walking into an object.
One of these days I'll finish my new hairstyles. The only reason I haven't added them yet is because the animation is such a pain. Its also why I've been nervous about porting other hairstyles to run/jump/etc. Eliza's hairstyles were already done. That being said, maybe for most hairstyles, just a few skews on run and jump is fine...
Next time I'll include the file in the zip, but I don't want to reupload the whole zip file just for a credits. Instead I'll try a .txt file.
Saving the .rtf as a .txt works pretty well, that's added now.
I don't like these attribution lists very much. It loses all formatting. I tried uploading a credits.rtf file which is a lot cleaner, but the file was denied. Boo.
I left some comments in the OGA discord, but I'll drop them here, too.
There's no overall guidelines to my knowledge. Just add what you like. You don't even have to add the assets to the generators yourself, as long as the licensing is correct someone actively working on it may/will eventually add it. You do as much to create new assets as you are comfortable with.
I will note one thing, though:
While there are no guidelines, there is a general rule that has happened over time. If you check out the ULPC, a lot of assets follow a preset list of existing palettes. I have gone ahead and catalogued these palettes to make it easier to track, you can find them here:
https://github.com/sanderfrenken/Universal-LPC-Spritesheet-Character-Gen...
If you stick to this palette list, keeping the number of colors you use relatively low (typically six), it'll make it a lot easier to create a bunch of recolors. I use bluecarrot's lpctools to handle the recolors quickly, and the .json files in that directory above are designed to work in lpctools. This can greatly expand the utility of a single asset, adding way more options.
Finally got this one out... I was going to release this last week but I suffered a hard drive failure and almost lost a lot of data. Not my sprite assets or anything, but still other important documents. So I've been struggling to recover everything since. Thankfully I did get back my data but the hard drive is pretty damaged and is VERY slow to transfer things off of. This also delayed me in working on further assets.
I also have been distracted with a couple of other things lately. That's the main reason I opted to go for just finishing the hat assets instead of continuing working on armor or clothing. Clothing takes a lot more work. I think I'm going to finish up the Male LPC Revised clothes next at this point, but I did START working on Armor. I have two sets of body armor completed now, but there's still tons more to go. Originally I was going to include the helmets with the armor, but the helmets are already done, so I figured I'd just drop them in this set.
I do wonder if maybe I keep going a bit overboard in adding as many separate frame layers as possible. I just like having more options, but perhaps its not needed all the time... typically I have been doing it when one asset uses a couple of different colors. The Magic Hats and Bluecarrot's Pirate Hats are the most notable situations here. There's a few helmets where I could have done the same, but I didn't bother doing that at the time (I did helmets about 6 months ago).
I just noticed this now. I was a bit concerned by the layout, I thought you were providing the downloads without simply linking back to the sources. But no, this looks good. You're describing each item, saying who makes it, and the download links actually go to the pages where the extensions are. That's fine, though I do think maybe the Download link should say "Go To Website" instead.
This looks so good. I'll have to take a closer look.
Ah, thanks for the detailed credits and licensing in the zip. Very helpful to see exactly what's OGA-BY and what's not.
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