Did a follow-up and RedShirke you are/were right, this is what he had to say :-
'Hi Shirish,
My graphics are free. But they are not open in the open source sense, they are not under CC, not under GPL nor any other dozenpages fat nonsense license that nobody really understands and that claims to be the one and only free license. With my graphics you can really do what you want, except abuse. And that covers just the providing of the raw graphics. The graphics, even modifications of the graphics, are mine as long as you haven`t used the graphics for something. I need to keep control over it to prevent real abuse. I had cases where some bandits really wanted to sell my partially recoloured graphics under their name. Just in case, submitting my graphics to OpenGameArt would be such an abuse case, that`s against my license ...
I have of course the original meshes. But those meshes were never made to become public. Those meshes were made to render the sprites. And those meshes were made that these particular sprites looks useful in this particular size and in this particular angle. You cannot load those characters into other software neither, they are made in and for trueSpace 4.3 up to 6.6. This old bones system is not transferable. The benefit for other people is against zero therefore. It makes no sense to give those old meshes away.
To make those characters public i would have to redo them from scratch. Which is as time consuming as the initial process. Maybe even more, because this time i would make lots of things different. And it took me years to create them. I surely will not spend years again to fix old stuff, sorry.
The deal is, i make games, and share the graphics with the world then.
Regards
Reiner'
So we are either stuck with that or asking people if somebody has something better.
this is what I got from him, hmmm..... there doesn't seem to be a quote button in the tool button, oh well.
'Hi Shirish,
I think you have misread my license. I don't forbid modifications.It's the opposite. I allow them, and even state that in the license. In fact you need to modify my graphics in most of the cases. It's just graphical raw material. You can do nearly everything with my graphics as long as you don't abuse it.
You are right with that I don't fulfill requests anymore. I miss the time for that, sorry. And 2D graphics is a closed chapter anywyas, I went on with 3D graphics since a pretty while. It's simply more flexible.
Good luck with your project.
All the best
Reiner'
That was Reiner. I guess now I have to ask him if he has the original meshes somewhere. Btw in what format would the original meshes and how they would look like. Do we have any meshes here on OGA so I could look at them and atleast know how they look or what one sees in them.
I had to look around, there is this directory in ~/dawn-rpg/data/character/swordsman/ which has all his styles and movement. There are 241 phases of the same model. I am not somebody with any graphics background and hence cannot say more. I did open one of the files in Gimp and it said its 96*96 so atleast know that.
By open source online roleplaying game, don't you mean its just an open-source mmorpg ? I am confused, is there a difference between 'an online roleplaying game' and MMORPG's apart from open-sourcing some of the code ?
I have played this game and its cool, although seems the guys are sleeping. The above screenshotss although I have not seen, esp. 2 & 4 . I do see that the project sadly is now in limbo, see http://www.allacrost.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5441
Seems to me they are missing any artist, any volunteers ?
nice renderings and nice art. Btw is there a target audience in mind, I'm on an Intel dual-core machine with embedded graphics (read that as no graphics card) hence would I be able to play this game ?
Did a follow-up and RedShirke you are/were right, this is what he had to say :-
'Hi Shirish,
My graphics are free. But they are not open in the open source sense, they are not under CC, not under GPL nor any other dozenpages fat nonsense license that nobody really understands and that claims to be the one and only free license. With my graphics you can really do what you want, except abuse. And that covers just the providing of the raw graphics. The graphics, even modifications of the graphics, are mine as long as you haven`t used the graphics for something. I need to keep control over it to prevent real abuse. I had cases where some bandits really wanted to sell my partially recoloured graphics under their name. Just in case, submitting my graphics to OpenGameArt would be such an abuse case, that`s against my license ...
I have of course the original meshes. But those meshes were never made to become public. Those meshes were made to render the sprites. And those meshes were made that these particular sprites looks useful in this particular size and in this particular angle. You cannot load those characters into other software neither, they are made in and for trueSpace 4.3 up to 6.6. This old bones system is not transferable. The benefit for other people is against zero therefore. It makes no sense to give those old meshes away.
To make those characters public i would have to redo them from scratch. Which is as time consuming as the initial process. Maybe even more, because this time i would make lots of things different. And it took me years to create them. I surely will not spend years again to fix old stuff, sorry.
The deal is, i make games, and share the graphics with the world then.
Regards
Reiner'
So we are either stuck with that or asking people if somebody has something better.
ok cool.
this is what I got from him, hmmm..... there doesn't seem to be a quote button in the tool button, oh well.
'Hi Shirish,
I think you have misread my license. I don't forbid modifications.It's the opposite. I allow them, and even state that in the license. In fact you need to modify my graphics in most of the cases. It's just graphical raw material. You can do nearly everything with my graphics as long as you don't abuse it.
You are right with that I don't fulfill requests anymore. I miss the time for that, sorry. And 2D graphics is a closed chapter anywyas, I went on with 3D graphics since a pretty while. It's simply more flexible.
Good luck with your project.
All the best
Reiner'
That was Reiner. I guess now I have to ask him if he has the original meshes somewhere. Btw in what format would the original meshes and how they would look like. Do we have any meshes here on OGA so I could look at them and atleast know how they look or what one sees in them.
Redshirke, dunno about source models but I do see from where he had taken the models. See http://www.reinerstilesets.de/2d-grafiken/2d-humans/ and specifically in those http://www.reinerstilesets.de/zips2d/T_swordstan_shield.zip and http://www.reinerstilesets.de/zips2d/T_axestan_shield.zip
I had to look around, there is this directory in ~/dawn-rpg/data/character/swordsman/ which has all his styles and movement. There are 241 phases of the same model. I am not somebody with any graphics background and hence cannot say more. I did open one of the files in Gimp and it said its 96*96 so atleast know that.
Here's the whole directory uploaded at http://oron.com/dsys7926bgg6
wow and wow, both look nice.
saw the screenshot, looks nice. Any link where I could download the game (even if its in an alpha level), sourceforge.net, github whatever.
By open source online roleplaying game, don't you mean its just an open-source mmorpg ? I am confused, is there a difference between 'an online roleplaying game' and MMORPG's apart from open-sourcing some of the code ?
Looking forwrad for answers and clarifications.
I have played this game and its cool, although seems the guys are sleeping. The above screenshotss although I have not seen, esp. 2 & 4 . I do see that the project sadly is now in limbo, see http://www.allacrost.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5441
Seems to me they are missing any artist, any volunteers ?
nice renderings and nice art. Btw is there a target audience in mind, I'm on an Intel dual-core machine with embedded graphics (read that as no graphics card) hence would I be able to play this game ?
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