"That´s actually a commercial tactic, drop the prices so much that anyone without big financial backing will sink, and once you are alone in your monopoly rise prices as much as you want. It´s a quite possible future with AI art."
almost all of the ai art algorithms i am personally familiar with are running on a gpu somewhere. you can run them on your computer at home and not pay anyone anything at all. there are certainly closed platforms like midjourney, firefly, leonardo.ai and others that you can't do this with, but the vast majority of ai art platforms i come across are using stable diffusion, which you can run on your computer with python. i have it and i am using it right now. the attatched image was generated locally on my computer using stable diffusion and the dreamlike-photoreal dataset, then outpainted some with a different algorithm
if the big "tech bros" manage to develop a better algorithm with a better dataset, then they can charge whatever they want and not share it, but much of the underlying technology for ai art generators is written in python and can be downloaded on github right now
tracing something is not quite the same as using a reference in my opinion.
if i look at medicinestorms avatar and try to draw something similar, placing a cloud with lightning bolts and an upside pyramid in the same general areas, i have created something inspired by her avatar.
if i take the image of her avatar and redraw over it, turning the clouds into flying pigs, the lighning bolts into pink confetti, and the upside pyramid into a leftsideover pentagon, then i have created a derivative work. even if the new image looks nothing at all like her avatar, and no one could reasonably even guess that i used it to make this new masterpiece, it is a derivative.
so there are multiple issues here that you have to navigate:
1) trademark. does the company in question have the design of the console or elements of it trademarked? playstation has a trademark registered on the triangle/circle/square/cross combo, but arguably only as a logo, not as button prompts.
2) derivative. derivative is really quite simple. when you say it's "based on" xyz, what do you mean by based on? a derivative is a work that is made from another work. if i take a picture of a gameboy and trace a fakeboy over it, my fakeboy is a derivative even if it doesnt look like it, because the image i made is derived from another image. if i draw my fakeboy out of my head, with my own memory of what a gameboy looks like, then it's not really derivative because there is nothing on which it is derived.
if you are using the name or likeness of something that someone else owns, you may be infringing on trademarks. if you are using an actual image, sound clip, video, or other piece of media then the thing you produce based on that media is a derivative work.
the price to use the ai art generators in the cloud? or the prices charged by human artists?
if human artists lose work to the robots, they will have no choice but to charge less.
i dont know if i see the cost of cloud computing increasing, but rather decreasing. bandwidth is the new silicon.
all the major art generator algorithms will work natively on your pc if you either know python or can find a frontend that does it for you. i run stable diffusion off of a laptop gpu.
you can make something similar to a gameboy, something it is obviously inspired by the gameboy, but you cant make something that is derivative of a gameboy or use trademarks
inspiration = ok
derivative = not ok unless you have the rights to the works you are making a derivative of
thats really because it is only able to imitate the robot apocolypse stories that it knows, the bulk of which are old hat.
and if real human beings dont write new robot acocalypse stories that become part of the dataset these imitation engines use, then it will never be able to write anything but what it can write now.
@eugeneloza
i have gotten good results hiring human artists on fiverr.
only issue i can see with the ai taking over artist's jobs in the long term is if someone makes an ai art algorithm that is actually creative.
what we have now is imitative, not creative. if humans stop creating new art, there will be nothing new added to the dataset, and generative ai art will have nothing new to imitate.
safe to submit to OGA as an asset? it depends on how you created the image. i am not admin or the most knowledgeable about the legalities and definition of a derivative, so take what i say here as it is: my opinion.
derivative means it is derived from something else. did you trace the original spaceman head? did you resize the spaceman head and adjust the pixels to look good at low res? in other words, did you use the actual image of the original spaceman in the actual composition of the new spaceman. if yes, than it is a derivative work.
@Danimal
"That´s actually a commercial tactic, drop the prices so much that anyone without big financial backing will sink, and once you are alone in your monopoly rise prices as much as you want. It´s a quite possible future with AI art."
almost all of the ai art algorithms i am personally familiar with are running on a gpu somewhere. you can run them on your computer at home and not pay anyone anything at all. there are certainly closed platforms like midjourney, firefly, leonardo.ai and others that you can't do this with, but the vast majority of ai art platforms i come across are using stable diffusion, which you can run on your computer with python. i have it and i am using it right now. the attatched image was generated locally on my computer using stable diffusion and the dreamlike-photoreal dataset, then outpainted some with a different algorithm
if the big "tech bros" manage to develop a better algorithm with a better dataset, then they can charge whatever they want and not share it, but much of the underlying technology for ai art generators is written in python and can be downloaded on github right now
tracing something is not quite the same as using a reference in my opinion.
if i look at medicinestorms avatar and try to draw something similar, placing a cloud with lightning bolts and an upside pyramid in the same general areas, i have created something inspired by her avatar.
if i take the image of her avatar and redraw over it, turning the clouds into flying pigs, the lighning bolts into pink confetti, and the upside pyramid into a leftsideover pentagon, then i have created a derivative work. even if the new image looks nothing at all like her avatar, and no one could reasonably even guess that i used it to make this new masterpiece, it is a derivative.
so there are multiple issues here that you have to navigate:
1) trademark. does the company in question have the design of the console or elements of it trademarked? playstation has a trademark registered on the triangle/circle/square/cross combo, but arguably only as a logo, not as button prompts.
2) derivative. derivative is really quite simple. when you say it's "based on" xyz, what do you mean by based on? a derivative is a work that is made from another work. if i take a picture of a gameboy and trace a fakeboy over it, my fakeboy is a derivative even if it doesnt look like it, because the image i made is derived from another image. if i draw my fakeboy out of my head, with my own memory of what a gameboy looks like, then it's not really derivative because there is nothing on which it is derived.
if you are using the name or likeness of something that someone else owns, you may be infringing on trademarks. if you are using an actual image, sound clip, video, or other piece of media then the thing you produce based on that media is a derivative work.
the prices will go up on what, umplix?
the price to use the ai art generators in the cloud? or the prices charged by human artists?
if human artists lose work to the robots, they will have no choice but to charge less.
i dont know if i see the cost of cloud computing increasing, but rather decreasing. bandwidth is the new silicon.
all the major art generator algorithms will work natively on your pc if you either know python or can find a frontend that does it for you. i run stable diffusion off of a laptop gpu.
you can make something similar to a gameboy, something it is obviously inspired by the gameboy, but you cant make something that is derivative of a gameboy or use trademarks
inspiration = ok
derivative = not ok unless you have the rights to the works you are making a derivative of
@emcee flesher
thats really because it is only able to imitate the robot apocolypse stories that it knows, the bulk of which are old hat.
and if real human beings dont write new robot acocalypse stories that become part of the dataset these imitation engines use, then it will never be able to write anything but what it can write now.
@eugeneloza
i have gotten good results hiring human artists on fiverr.
only issue i can see with the ai taking over artist's jobs in the long term is if someone makes an ai art algorithm that is actually creative.
what we have now is imitative, not creative. if humans stop creating new art, there will be nothing new added to the dataset, and generative ai art will have nothing new to imitate.
safe to use in your game? most likely yes.
safe to submit to OGA as an asset? it depends on how you created the image. i am not admin or the most knowledgeable about the legalities and definition of a derivative, so take what i say here as it is: my opinion.
derivative means it is derived from something else. did you trace the original spaceman head? did you resize the spaceman head and adjust the pixels to look good at low res? in other words, did you use the actual image of the original spaceman in the actual composition of the new spaceman. if yes, than it is a derivative work.
were these animated with mixamo?
they are probably just better than us :)
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