Definitely something worh investigating. I personally would be extremely leary of any site that simultaneously allowed artists to distribute works labelled as CC0 or CC-BY or what have you AND asked users to accept an EULA that imposed its own set of restrictions on how a work could be redistributed. That seems poorly thought out at best and disingenuous at worst.
I guess the high level question is, does it matter where and under what terms you obtained a work if it is available elsewhere under a different license?
Yay! That's great news! Thanks for looking into this bart!
Thursday, January 5, 2017 - 05:49
interesting question. I would assume if you the artists are intending to distribute the work as CC0 then that takes precendence over anything else. In practical terms, this must be true as only the copyright owner could ever bring suit for a license violation. So unless an EULA actually has you giving up ownership of a work (in which case RUN!) then no matter what restrictions the EULA tried to put on users, nothing could apply beyond what you personally were willing to try and enforce.
On the otherhand, from the user's perspective, it's a bit murkier. If you obtain something as CC0 from a site like OGA where that's clearly the license, then no matter how an artist feels later, they have distributed the work as CC0 and they can't take that back, you are free to use the work however you please. But grab the work from a site with a wonky EULA, then you've agreed to that EULA and that may well set the terms of use, even if the work is listed as CC0. If an artist ever did want to enforce some term of the EULA they may be able to. You also can't rule out the possibility that the site might try to enforce the EULA and restrict how you use a work even if they don't really have standing to do so.
'. For coding, I believe a GPL license means that all new code must be licensed under GPL or another compatible license (i.e. something more permissive such as BSD or even public domain),
absolutely not. Derivatives of GPL code must be released as GPL period. There's no provision for releasing derivatives under 'compatible' licenses. Otherwise you could trivially flip something from GPL to CC0 and then to a private/closed source license.
As for art, MedicineStorm pretty much summed it up as far as my research has taken me. To be honest, I can say I've studied what GPL means for artwork some but I wouldn't really say I understand it much. My general take is that the license wasn't written for artwork and therefore shouldn't be used for it (this is the reason for the CC folks getting started). But people do release art under GPL and the FSF does seem to have an idea that the license can work for art, so clearly there's more for me to learn on the topic.
Friday, December 30, 2016 - 06:22
great stuff! I love the idle/breathe animation in particular, gets a lot out of so few pixels!
Tried the game but I am stuck in the 2nd room, stuck behind the pink/purple blocks. Am I missing a control to shoot or something?
@all: Just a note, I have contacted bart via PM asking him to comment on my proposed temporary workaround for search and on the best steps forward for those wishing to contribute time and energy to OGA's ongoing maintenance and development. It's a busy time of year, especially for those with young families like bart, so we'll need to be patient but hopefully he'll be able to spare a few moments to comment soon.
Saturday, December 24, 2016 - 06:21
ok, just a note, looks like it was the URL in the last part of that post that the spam filter didn't like.
Funny since it was a URL pointing to an opengameart.org forum post. But that sounds like a problem to address another day...
Thanks chasergaming for replying so quick to that one!
@all admins:
Setting aside all other proposed fixes, community re-orgs, etc. etc.
Is there no hope of getting something posted to the main page acknowledging and explaing the current situation with search?
This would seem like the bare minimum that should be done here.
Saturday, December 24, 2016 - 06:19
@all: I am going to contact bart directly to ask him to chime in specifcally on the search workaround I've suggested and the several offers of help folks have posted here. Considering the impending holiday, I am going to wait until later next week to do so. If there's an admin or someone else with a closer relationship with bart than I have (which is basically none) , who'd like to contact him instead, feel free to do so, just let me know so we don't double pester him.
Saturday, December 24, 2016 - 06:18
@farrer: I don't think the community re-org has actually taken place, at least not that I've heard of, nor clearly enough of one to get the right person(s) in place to fix search. It is good that bart has said he is open to talking about it, I guess my goal here is to make sure that conversation actually happens.
Definitely something worh investigating. I personally would be extremely leary of any site that simultaneously allowed artists to distribute works labelled as CC0 or CC-BY or what have you AND asked users to accept an EULA that imposed its own set of restrictions on how a work could be redistributed. That seems poorly thought out at best and disingenuous at worst.
I guess the high level question is, does it matter where and under what terms you obtained a work if it is available elsewhere under a different license?
Yay! That's great news! Thanks for looking into this bart!
interesting question. I would assume if you the artists are intending to distribute the work as CC0 then that takes precendence over anything else. In practical terms, this must be true as only the copyright owner could ever bring suit for a license violation. So unless an EULA actually has you giving up ownership of a work (in which case RUN!) then no matter what restrictions the EULA tried to put on users, nothing could apply beyond what you personally were willing to try and enforce.
On the otherhand, from the user's perspective, it's a bit murkier. If you obtain something as CC0 from a site like OGA where that's clearly the license, then no matter how an artist feels later, they have distributed the work as CC0 and they can't take that back, you are free to use the work however you please. But grab the work from a site with a wonky EULA, then you've agreed to that EULA and that may well set the terms of use, even if the work is listed as CC0. If an artist ever did want to enforce some term of the EULA they may be able to. You also can't rule out the possibility that the site might try to enforce the EULA and restrict how you use a work even if they don't really have standing to do so.
'. For coding, I believe a GPL license means that all new code must be licensed under GPL or another compatible license (i.e. something more permissive such as BSD or even public domain),
absolutely not. Derivatives of GPL code must be released as GPL period. There's no provision for releasing derivatives under 'compatible' licenses. Otherwise you could trivially flip something from GPL to CC0 and then to a private/closed source license.
As for art, MedicineStorm pretty much summed it up as far as my research has taken me. To be honest, I can say I've studied what GPL means for artwork some but I wouldn't really say I understand it much. My general take is that the license wasn't written for artwork and therefore shouldn't be used for it (this is the reason for the CC folks getting started). But people do release art under GPL and the FSF does seem to have an idea that the license can work for art, so clearly there's more for me to learn on the topic.
great stuff! I love the idle/breathe animation in particular, gets a lot out of so few pixels!
Tried the game but I am stuck in the 2nd room, stuck behind the pink/purple blocks. Am I missing a control to shoot or something?
@all: Just a note, I have contacted bart via PM asking him to comment on my proposed temporary workaround for search and on the best steps forward for those wishing to contribute time and energy to OGA's ongoing maintenance and development. It's a busy time of year, especially for those with young families like bart, so we'll need to be patient but hopefully he'll be able to spare a few moments to comment soon.
ok, just a note, looks like it was the URL in the last part of that post that the spam filter didn't like.
Funny since it was a URL pointing to an opengameart.org forum post. But that sounds like a problem to address another day...
Finally, just want to note that another incident of a user confused by the current state of search has turned up:
opengameart.org forumtopic how-does-the-search-work
Thanks chasergaming for replying so quick to that one!
@all admins:
Setting aside all other proposed fixes, community re-orgs, etc. etc.
Is there no hope of getting something posted to the main page acknowledging and explaing the current situation with search?
This would seem like the bare minimum that should be done here.
@all: I am going to contact bart directly to ask him to chime in specifcally on the search workaround I've suggested and the several offers of help folks have posted here. Considering the impending holiday, I am going to wait until later next week to do so. If there's an admin or someone else with a closer relationship with bart than I have (which is basically none) , who'd like to contact him instead, feel free to do so, just let me know so we don't double pester him.
@farrer: I don't think the community re-org has actually taken place, at least not that I've heard of, nor clearly enough of one to get the right person(s) in place to fix search. It is good that bart has said he is open to talking about it, I guess my goal here is to make sure that conversation actually happens.
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