I understand wanting to get his side, but it's unnecessary, really. If he had a legal argument to stand on he would actually sue, for all the good it would do him. He can't get OGA any which way. So everyone can just ignore him.
He can't sue anyone for being blocked on any site. Otherwise nobody would ever be allowed to block anyone regardless of reason. That's just ignorant. Really, any website or business can block anyone for no reason at all if they want. This is pretty basic law here.
Threatening a lawsuit over this just makes him look like a really ignorant bully.
He has no case against OGA. None. And if he tries to take it to court, *I* will pay any legal costs to defend against this nuisance lawsuit. All of it. Even fine if it comes to it, but it never ever would. He can't touch OGA at all. Consider it my gift to OGA for a specific purpose (didn't like the freefloating Patreon pledge, but this is much better). Not that this guy really will. He could buy himself a clue if he had two nickels to rub together. He doesn't.
So feel free to block this guy too, if you want to. This is probably just MikeeUSA on another name anyway. Or keep him around for our amusement if you want. He's throwing legal terms around and demonstrating just how much he doesn't understand about anything with every post. He's funny, and now totally impotent even with his baseless threats, and everyone can see it.
Oh... now this has potential to expand. Vector art I'm not as good at, but it makes me think. Animated faces. Specific color pallette. Maybe a Snood / Puzzle Bobble / Bubble _Blank_ layout. This is already good, but could be even better.
>The website is worth quite a sum, at least the domain.
Sigh. As someone who bought and sold domains for a while, I can't let that one pass.
Maybe your right. All you need for a big sale are one person who thinks its worth handing money over and the owner wanting to sell. So in that sense, it only matters what two people think. so there are some unknowns.
Normally, though, someone who buys a domain looks at things like how to make money off of it. The common solution of looking at hit counts and then ad earnings per view and multiplying that out doesn't work here. There are no ads, and users aren't used to ads and in fact are strongly opposed to ads. Plan to milk it until you kill it and hope you get enough money to make it worthwhile by the standard model.
Uniqueness? Again, anybody can do the exact same thing at any time. Free and open art includes the idea that other people can do the same thing with even the same content.
Reputation, and the willingness to work with it for some benefit could come into play. Professional artists might fund such a thing, but then it'd be both supporting and undercutting their business model. Maybe something more educational oriented, like a coding cooperative. They exist.
Otherwise it's a donation model like a charity. That's reputation also, really. That could work. Lots of places do it.
I don't know what it takes, but even just being a charity recipient at Humble Bundle once would bring in more money than the site has ever seen, and it certainly fits a lot better theme-wise than some other charities there. "Support the site that makes many games possible."
So... anybody got Steam games featuring art from here who want to put something together? If we want it to be a long range goal it suggests getting a group together and making a game or ten and getting them on Steam solely to raise support for the site. Weird motivation for something super complicated, but I've seen stranger things. Kenney has his art pack on Steam, and I know of at least a few games there have some overlap here. Some others I'd probably recognize.
Brainstorming in public unfortunately undercuts any potential of me (or anyone else) buying the site to fit their own plans. Or maybe that's fortunately. Who knows anymore.
I think we have to make it clear that there are no signs that OGA will die anytime soon. It can continue on its own like this for a while. The signs of its death are exaggerated, and all that.
On the other hand, it is frustrating to say I'd even be willing to help out financially if someone would talk to me about it and then not hear one peep. It's hard to raise money when minimal effort is being done to make any. People can want to do things, but it has to be easy for people to do things on their own. That goes for the art contributed here and moderation and everything else too.
Someone mentioned someone else buying OGA... well, what exactly would they get? The reputation, existing links and the community, but none of that is ever guaranteed. By it's nature, what OGA does could be done by another site. All the art on it is freely usable, so there's nothing stopping someone loading it all up elsewhere and keeping the licenses intact. Heck, that's a problem with anybody trying to do this.
Look at the model of something like Wikipedia. Volunteers can do virtually anything: change a page, change the rules, change nearly everything. Then when Wikimedia asks people for money they have already built up a model. I personally dislike Wikipedia in that often what they call the "wisdom of masses" is just another way of saying mob rule. That's why you find strong leaders and don't make the easiness of the site end up making it harder for the leaders to do anything either.
In a sense I'm just going around in circles here. I might have even repeated what I said when I posted here last. Sorry if I did.
Bottom line is I want OGA to succeed. I'm willing to expand some effort and money to make that happen. I do think it has a bit of an existential crisis, though. Or maybe that's just me.
Well, suing has no real bounds. There are people trying to sue for any dumb thing even if they have no legal basis, and certainly no chance of winning if it went to court. It's a legal right to make a donkey of yourself if you want to.
If you choose a license (or make one) that specifically does not include attribution, then you'd lose any suit trying to enforce attribution.
The license is on the first post. It's the CC BY 3 under the text that says License(s). You can click that button to read more about it.
Elsewhere on the web I've seen people say CC licenses usually don't allow any other licenses to be applied to it, including Apache.
From looking at it though I don't see anything in practice that would disallow it, as long as you say "The code is licensed under Apache (+whatever specifics you want to include), ocean graphic is licensed by KnoblePersona under CC By 3." I would make it clear both are separately licensed and both usable.
Certainly he was kind enough to include the image here under a permissive license, so he wants it to be used.
Ooh. Like the little animal characters.
Your cast offs are better than some submissions here.
I understand wanting to get his side, but it's unnecessary, really. If he had a legal argument to stand on he would actually sue, for all the good it would do him. He can't get OGA any which way. So everyone can just ignore him.
He can't sue anyone for being blocked on any site. Otherwise nobody would ever be allowed to block anyone regardless of reason. That's just ignorant. Really, any website or business can block anyone for no reason at all if they want. This is pretty basic law here.
Threatening a lawsuit over this just makes him look like a really ignorant bully.
He has no case against OGA. None. And if he tries to take it to court, *I* will pay any legal costs to defend against this nuisance lawsuit. All of it. Even fine if it comes to it, but it never ever would. He can't touch OGA at all. Consider it my gift to OGA for a specific purpose (didn't like the freefloating Patreon pledge, but this is much better). Not that this guy really will. He could buy himself a clue if he had two nickels to rub together. He doesn't.
So feel free to block this guy too, if you want to. This is probably just MikeeUSA on another name anyway. Or keep him around for our amusement if you want. He's throwing legal terms around and demonstrating just how much he doesn't understand about anything with every post. He's funny, and now totally impotent even with his baseless threats, and everyone can see it.
Oh... now this has potential to expand. Vector art I'm not as good at, but it makes me think. Animated faces. Specific color pallette. Maybe a Snood / Puzzle Bobble / Bubble _Blank_ layout. This is already good, but could be even better.
>The website is worth quite a sum, at least the domain.
Sigh. As someone who bought and sold domains for a while, I can't let that one pass.
Maybe your right. All you need for a big sale are one person who thinks its worth handing money over and the owner wanting to sell. So in that sense, it only matters what two people think. so there are some unknowns.
Normally, though, someone who buys a domain looks at things like how to make money off of it. The common solution of looking at hit counts and then ad earnings per view and multiplying that out doesn't work here. There are no ads, and users aren't used to ads and in fact are strongly opposed to ads. Plan to milk it until you kill it and hope you get enough money to make it worthwhile by the standard model.
Uniqueness? Again, anybody can do the exact same thing at any time. Free and open art includes the idea that other people can do the same thing with even the same content.
Reputation, and the willingness to work with it for some benefit could come into play. Professional artists might fund such a thing, but then it'd be both supporting and undercutting their business model. Maybe something more educational oriented, like a coding cooperative. They exist.
Otherwise it's a donation model like a charity. That's reputation also, really. That could work. Lots of places do it.
I don't know what it takes, but even just being a charity recipient at Humble Bundle once would bring in more money than the site has ever seen, and it certainly fits a lot better theme-wise than some other charities there. "Support the site that makes many games possible."
So... anybody got Steam games featuring art from here who want to put something together? If we want it to be a long range goal it suggests getting a group together and making a game or ten and getting them on Steam solely to raise support for the site. Weird motivation for something super complicated, but I've seen stranger things. Kenney has his art pack on Steam, and I know of at least a few games there have some overlap here. Some others I'd probably recognize.
Brainstorming in public unfortunately undercuts any potential of me (or anyone else) buying the site to fit their own plans. Or maybe that's fortunately. Who knows anymore.
I think we have to make it clear that there are no signs that OGA will die anytime soon. It can continue on its own like this for a while. The signs of its death are exaggerated, and all that.
On the other hand, it is frustrating to say I'd even be willing to help out financially if someone would talk to me about it and then not hear one peep. It's hard to raise money when minimal effort is being done to make any. People can want to do things, but it has to be easy for people to do things on their own. That goes for the art contributed here and moderation and everything else too.
Someone mentioned someone else buying OGA... well, what exactly would they get? The reputation, existing links and the community, but none of that is ever guaranteed. By it's nature, what OGA does could be done by another site. All the art on it is freely usable, so there's nothing stopping someone loading it all up elsewhere and keeping the licenses intact. Heck, that's a problem with anybody trying to do this.
Look at the model of something like Wikipedia. Volunteers can do virtually anything: change a page, change the rules, change nearly everything. Then when Wikimedia asks people for money they have already built up a model. I personally dislike Wikipedia in that often what they call the "wisdom of masses" is just another way of saying mob rule. That's why you find strong leaders and don't make the easiness of the site end up making it harder for the leaders to do anything either.
In a sense I'm just going around in circles here. I might have even repeated what I said when I posted here last. Sorry if I did.
Bottom line is I want OGA to succeed. I'm willing to expand some effort and money to make that happen. I do think it has a bit of an existential crisis, though. Or maybe that's just me.
Well, suing has no real bounds. There are people trying to sue for any dumb thing even if they have no legal basis, and certainly no chance of winning if it went to court. It's a legal right to make a donkey of yourself if you want to.
If you choose a license (or make one) that specifically does not include attribution, then you'd lose any suit trying to enforce attribution.
Truly awesome!
The license is on the first post. It's the CC BY 3 under the text that says License(s). You can click that button to read more about it.
Elsewhere on the web I've seen people say CC licenses usually don't allow any other licenses to be applied to it, including Apache.
From looking at it though I don't see anything in practice that would disallow it, as long as you say "The code is licensed under Apache (+whatever specifics you want to include), ocean graphic is licensed by KnoblePersona under CC By 3." I would make it clear both are separately licensed and both usable.
Certainly he was kind enough to include the image here under a permissive license, so he wants it to be used.
I think I remember the caveman graphic. I'll have to look for it.
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