I don't object to the idea of having a professional marketing company on the accounts, but what sorts of things are you going to have them do?
As for Discord, we don't currently have a server, but I think that would be a good idea. I get the sense that it's kind of supplanting IRC?
Constraints:
Please poke me before you add anyone, so I can take a quick look through their post history. I'll try to set things up so you can add people, but people don't make it so that other people can add people, otherwise one bad apple can really make a big mess. Also, even if everyone has the best of intentions, the more people with access to OGA's social media, the greater the chance of sending mixed messages.
This probably goes without saying (since it's in line with the spirit and ideals of OGA), but stay out of politics. If someone somehow forces your hand and you have to take a political position, let me know so we can talk about how to deal with it.
Yes, there is. Search indexing is a cron job, so it doesn't happen immediately when items are submitted. Off the top of my head, I'm not sure if it's done hourly or daily.
Adding my two cents to the rest of the discussion, Doland is now president elect of the usa, if his likeness is not fair game for parody or use in art works I don't know what is.
I agree with this 100%. However, it's also true for any copyrighted work or likeness that parodies are fair use, but that doesn't mean we host other things that we don't have the owner's permission for either. We need to be as certain as possible that if someone follows the license on a piece of art, they'll be legally in the clear. In cases of someone's likeness, it's not sufficient to just follow the license; in this case, for instance, you'd have to make sure you're using that likeness in a way that constitutes a parody.
I can't imagine any case ever being brought let alone granted hearing for using this sprite, with the possible exception of the endorsement use described above.
Nevertheless, our standard shouldn't be "is this person likely to sue?", but rather "are there any copyright issues?"
Well, it's complicated. The question, really, is whether the purpose of someone's post is to share art for use in video games, or to push a political view. If the art description is full of politically charged terminology, then we're going to insist that people change that. However, in the case of something like this, no opinion of Donald Trump is expressed either way (although it being a likeness is still an issue).
Unfortunately, this generally means we need to make judgment calls about whether people are posting something in good or bad faith. If we find that we're having to make too many of these, we might change the site rules and ban political art outright.
For the record, political discussions are banned. There are plenty of other places on the internet that people can have those.
Ya know, that's kind of a weird situation. The image itself might be public domain, but you may still need permission from the person in question to use the likeness. It seems a bit weird that someone (even the fedral government) can just snap a picture, call it public domain, and revoke someone's rights to their own likeness in that case.
I might actually see if I can consult with a lawyer and get some real legal advice on this one. The purpose here isn't to supress political art, but to make sure that the people who download it and use it aren't going to get burned in a legal sense (and likewise that OGA won't get burned for hosting it).
The trouble is with the perspective. If I use a perspective transformation to view the robot head-on, you can kind of see what I'm talking about. His right side (the side on the viewer's left) is larger than his left side in that perspective.
I used the warp tool to stretch his proportions so they were roughly symmetrical, and then transformed him back into perspective:
Obviously, after image manipulation, this is no longer pixel art, but it demonstrates what I think the issue is in terms of proprtions.
In general, it's pretty hard to do this by eye alone when drawing in perspective, but you don't have to. If you draw a rectangle in perspective, you can find the center by drawing an X from corner to corner. The center is where the lines cross. You can further subdivide that so you have a grid to work with that you can use as a guide.
Understood. I'll draft a response to that explaining that new legal information has come to my attention and, unfortunately, likenesses of people are murky so we will not be able to host the asset. As for similar cases, there is also the likeness of rick grimes (andrew linkcoln) that Master Redshrike flagged until the character name was removed. Should we re-flag that one as well, with a similar explaination and apology?
EDIT: also, dorothea the cat lady is still flagged licensing issue, but because of the image on her T-Shirt looking very much like a photo ripped from google search. However, that image on the T-Shirt may fall under the likeness rule as well. Same?
Yes, and yes, in that order. :)
As for the MikeeUSA thing, don't worry about it. It sounds like he was warned twice that he was going to be banned, and continued doing what he was doing. If anything, you were more lenient than you needed to be.
I don't want to get into banning people for opinions they've expressed elsewhere, but if someone has a history of being a troll and they start trolling on OGA, I think it's fair to not to give them any extra lenience (some people are just kind of abrasive and will chill out if you ask them to, but MikeeUSA has enough of a history that it's a safe bet he's not going to change).
I don't object to the idea of having a professional marketing company on the accounts, but what sorts of things are you going to have them do?
As for Discord, we don't currently have a server, but I think that would be a good idea. I get the sense that it's kind of supplanting IRC?
Constraints:
I need a list of the twitter accounts that need to be added as delegates to the OGA account. Same for facebook, deviantart, and youtube.
Yes, there is. Search indexing is a cron job, so it doesn't happen immediately when items are submitted. Off the top of my head, I'm not sure if it's done hourly or daily.
Okay, thanks for the heads up. I'll check into it.
Ah, thanks for the heads up. I'll look into fixing that.
I agree with this 100%. However, it's also true for any copyrighted work or likeness that parodies are fair use, but that doesn't mean we host other things that we don't have the owner's permission for either. We need to be as certain as possible that if someone follows the license on a piece of art, they'll be legally in the clear. In cases of someone's likeness, it's not sufficient to just follow the license; in this case, for instance, you'd have to make sure you're using that likeness in a way that constitutes a parody.
Nevertheless, our standard shouldn't be "is this person likely to sue?", but rather "are there any copyright issues?"
Well, it's complicated. The question, really, is whether the purpose of someone's post is to share art for use in video games, or to push a political view. If the art description is full of politically charged terminology, then we're going to insist that people change that. However, in the case of something like this, no opinion of Donald Trump is expressed either way (although it being a likeness is still an issue).
Unfortunately, this generally means we need to make judgment calls about whether people are posting something in good or bad faith. If we find that we're having to make too many of these, we might change the site rules and ban political art outright.
For the record, political discussions are banned. There are plenty of other places on the internet that people can have those.
Ya know, that's kind of a weird situation. The image itself might be public domain, but you may still need permission from the person in question to use the likeness. It seems a bit weird that someone (even the fedral government) can just snap a picture, call it public domain, and revoke someone's rights to their own likeness in that case.
I might actually see if I can consult with a lawyer and get some real legal advice on this one. The purpose here isn't to supress political art, but to make sure that the people who download it and use it aren't going to get burned in a legal sense (and likewise that OGA won't get burned for hosting it).
The trouble is with the perspective. If I use a perspective transformation to view the robot head-on, you can kind of see what I'm talking about. His right side (the side on the viewer's left) is larger than his left side in that perspective.
I used the warp tool to stretch his proportions so they were roughly symmetrical, and then transformed him back into perspective:
Obviously, after image manipulation, this is no longer pixel art, but it demonstrates what I think the issue is in terms of proprtions.
In general, it's pretty hard to do this by eye alone when drawing in perspective, but you don't have to. If you draw a rectangle in perspective, you can find the center by drawing an X from corner to corner. The center is where the lines cross. You can further subdivide that so you have a grid to work with that you can use as a guide.
Hope that makes sense. :)
Yes, and yes, in that order. :)
As for the MikeeUSA thing, don't worry about it. It sounds like he was warned twice that he was going to be banned, and continued doing what he was doing. If anything, you were more lenient than you needed to be.
I don't want to get into banning people for opinions they've expressed elsewhere, but if someone has a history of being a troll and they start trolling on OGA, I think it's fair to not to give them any extra lenience (some people are just kind of abrasive and will chill out if you ask them to, but MikeeUSA has enough of a history that it's a safe bet he's not going to change).
Anyway, thanks again.
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