I think it would be good to pack the art a bit different. While the art is great i hate to have to download and edit every piece seperately so i would Love when you :
1. instead of using just the 2 odd looking portraits als previev use the whole set of 4 for them.
2, pack it as zip file.
3. its a bit work but maybe seperate them from the single file into a folder with 4 files for each set.
Well when Nikita does not answer again i think you could bring the question of this Thread to this point: Taking something from a screenshot is not nice from something i would call an aesthetically point of view. It would feel a bit like the person you see on the road and would not want to be assiciated with him so rather avoid it.
This would still be valid when the authors of the screenshot "dont mind it"
Oga does not want to be associated with the method.
So i think it should be banned in general since if the Author support to publish his sprites he would just release them under a CC license, so there is no situation where i could imagine Oga would want this.
I think if Broforce does not object to use the art and there is no danger for the site It should be Nikitas decision. But i guess most was said from my side as well and if he still want to have them published Nikita should either continue this thread or rest the issue...
For me its way more important to have high standards in terms of legality than in terms of maybe injured feelings.
So i think it MUST respect licenses everything MUST be Legal but most artist dont even know their own intentions maybe they have the subconcious intention to share their work with all the world so to try to respect intentions is guessing work i dont think anyone can hold to this standart and me for myself i dont even want to try. Sure if you want to make sure that the intention of the artist is that i can be uploadet here you can go ahead and do it for me: the "anime potraits" were posted on wikimedia by niabot. I did not get a reaction from him about using them and i wont ask him because i simply dont care since they were normally licesed with CC-BY and he must assume that anyone uses them (nothing illegal here.)
Situations like this is why it's always good to ask before uploading art that is not your own. We hold our collection to a higher standard than simply "trust what the license says".
Sure it is good to ask but in any way i think in the majority of cases it should be sufficient to make sure its legal. I think most people who upload cc-by do it for the reasoning that it can be used.Wikimedia might be the exception in some cases, however there i would really ask if there is something great of high value for the community, and its perfect legal to take it while the author might not like it to see his work uploadet here - however most likely niver find out anyways since he is a artist not a developer and wont come here in all his life - should we have that high standart of not taking it because of an idea which is hard to put into words? Surely to adapt screensots is a "very special" story.
He sais it is in general not ethical so i guess most would agree to it.
However as he sais he does not care it means it is an implicite go ahead which means it is not unethical in this case since the developer allowed it (while not endorsing it)
" I wasn't altogether worried" So also he sais he does not care at all since its not really high quality.
Which again i think confirms the point that its far fetched to call it unethical.
I think when this is cleared maybe we should stop to bother desinterested devs and start to try to not upset the oga community, ofcourse unless this bothers you so much that you want to write him again with the question if he would have any problem if the content is not deleted. (which actually was already stated on twitter i think)
is probably legal? but certainly not ethical.in our case particularly, we won't care
v.s.
I never want an artist to come to OpenGameArt, see their own work, and become upset -- because they didn't intend to share their art to be reused in other games.
Comes down to following: They say they implecitely agree with uploading it here which means it is ethical and which means it surely can be posted here. They agree even if they dont endorse it. Let me follow up your idea would mean we could not simply take stuff from wikimedia / wikipedia without asking the author if he would say thankyou for uploading it here.Which in turn means i would need to delete the alien smeily set and the anime heads too? If that is the essence i think the idea definitively goes much too far.
I think it would be good to pack the art a bit different. While the art is great i hate to have to download and edit every piece seperately so i would Love when you :
1. instead of using just the 2 odd looking portraits als previev use the whole set of 4 for them.
2, pack it as zip file.
3. its a bit work but maybe seperate them from the single file into a folder with 4 files for each set.
Well when Nikita does not answer again i think you could bring the question of this Thread to this point: Taking something from a screenshot is not nice from something i would call an aesthetically point of view. It would feel a bit like the person you see on the road and would not want to be assiciated with him so rather avoid it.
This would still be valid when the authors of the screenshot "dont mind it"
Oga does not want to be associated with the method.
So i think it should be banned in general since if the Author support to publish his sprites he would just release them under a CC license, so there is no situation where i could imagine Oga would want this.
I think if Broforce does not object to use the art and there is no danger for the site It should be Nikitas decision. But i guess most was said from my side as well and if he still want to have them published Nikita should either continue this thread or rest the issue...
Well then you should ask broforce with the intend to make sure they dont sue....
For me its way more important to have high standards in terms of legality than in terms of maybe injured feelings.
So i think it MUST respect licenses everything MUST be Legal but most artist dont even know their own intentions maybe they have the subconcious intention to share their work with all the world so to try to respect intentions is guessing work i dont think anyone can hold to this standart and me for myself i dont even want to try. Sure if you want to make sure that the intention of the artist is that i can be uploadet here you can go ahead and do it for me: the "anime potraits" were posted on wikimedia by niabot. I did not get a reaction from him about using them and i wont ask him because i simply dont care since they were normally licesed with CC-BY and he must assume that anyone uses them (nothing illegal here.)
Situations like this is why it's always good to ask before uploading art that is not your own. We hold our collection to a higher standard than simply "trust what the license says".
Sure it is good to ask but in any way i think in the majority of cases it should be sufficient to make sure its legal. I think most people who upload cc-by do it for the reasoning that it can be used.Wikimedia might be the exception in some cases, however there i would really ask if there is something great of high value for the community, and its perfect legal to take it while the author might not like it to see his work uploadet here - however most likely niver find out anyways since he is a artist not a developer and wont come here in all his life - should we have that high standart of not taking it because of an idea which is hard to put into words? Surely to adapt screensots is a "very special" story.
I see what you mean but i wrote to it already:
He sais it is in general not ethical so i guess most would agree to it.
However as he sais he does not care it means it is an implicite go ahead which means it is not unethical in this case since the developer allowed it (while not endorsing it)
Thankyou i see now to what the response is.
" I wasn't altogether worried" So also he sais he does not care at all since its not really high quality.
Which again i think confirms the point that its far fetched to call it unethical.
I think when this is cleared maybe we should stop to bother desinterested devs and start to try to not upset the oga community, ofcourse unless this bothers you so much that you want to write him again with the question if he would have any problem if the content is not deleted. (which actually was already stated on twitter i think)
Clint what was your message i dont get the context.
is probably legal? but certainly not ethical.in our case particularly, we won't care
v.s.
I never want an artist to come to OpenGameArt, see their own work, and become upset -- because they didn't intend to share their art to be reused in other games.
Comes down to following: They say they implecitely agree with uploading it here which means it is ethical and which means it surely can be posted here. They agree even if they dont endorse it. Let me follow up your idea would mean we could not simply take stuff from wikimedia / wikipedia without asking the author if he would say thankyou for uploading it here.Which in turn means i would need to delete the alien smeily set and the anime heads too? If that is the essence i think the idea definitively goes much too far.
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