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How to come up with a game idea?

waqas_haider_ahmed
Sunday, November 20, 2011 - 14:34

Hi Everyone,

I'm very new on this site. I've been searching for information on the internet for ideas on how I can turn my free educational website for children to be more fun. 

I have been a programmer since 1996, so for a long time, but I've never been involved into games. I mainly work on databases, business systems, automation etc. All the boring stuff for kids. 

I created a free website for children as a bi-product of helping my own children with math activities. I never thought that the website would become successful. Over the last year the website has started to grow on it's own and attract more and more children. Although the children like the site, it seems that a little game element with some sort of graphics could do wonders for the children. I'm just not sure where to start. 

So my question really is that how do you take an educational subject and turn it into a game, which is interesting for age 4-11 year olds.

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to mention my website, therefore I'm not including the URL in my post, just in case someone feels that I'm trying to promote my website.

I would really appreciate if you could please help with some creative ideas on how math and educational subjects can be made more fun.

Thanks in advance for giving me your time to read my request. 

Waqas

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creek23
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Sunday, November 20, 2011 - 19:51
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One way is to find already available games for kids on the Internet, then have your kids play it. I'm betting not all games will be fun for them... study their reactions to the games.  One thing I've learned so far is that my daughter reacts to the objects that she is already familiar with... like stars, sun, etc.

~creek23

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waqas_haider_ahmed
joined 13 years 5 months ago
Sunday, November 20, 2011 - 23:21

Thanks Creek23 for your reply.

Good point. I will try what you have suggested. I know my kids like club Penguin and there are other two websites but they are not educational.

My website is freeteacher.co.uk, if you visit the website you'll see that it is educational. It has helped my children a lot in how they perform in the school. My two daughters have benefited from the site, so much so that my elder daughter is in the top set in English and Math. Every time I see my children struggling with a subject, I find a simple exercise and program it on the website. In almost all cases I've seen improvement with-in days. 

Although these exercises are effective, they don't have that proper game feel. I hope this makes sense.

I will try your idea of finding familiar objects and see how it could be implemented on the site. Please do let me know if you have any other ideas. I really appreciate your response. Thank you

Best Regards

Waqas

 

Waqas

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creek23
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Sunday, November 20, 2011 - 23:37
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No problem, Waqas.

I will try some of your exercises to my daughter then send you inputs on how she reacted.  Although she's just 3yo.

 

I've glanced on your Addition for 4yo... to gamify it further, I guess you could have it drawn like for example, 3 Cats and another 4 Cats -- then how many will cats will there be if you add them. so they can count the Cats then tell the answer.

~creek23

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waqas_haider_ahmed
joined 13 years 5 months ago
Monday, November 21, 2011 - 01:16

Hmm, now why did I not think of that. Doh!

Thanks creek23, your idea is simple but makes perfect sense.

I'll get this done. I will let you know as soon as I've completed the change.

Please do give more feedback if you have time as it helps many children. more than 50,000 children use this site and numbers are growing all the time. They will really appreciate such changes.

Regards

Waqas

Waqas

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creek23
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Monday, November 21, 2011 - 02:23
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Sure.  This will surely help me kid to learn Math as well... well, as soon as she gets 4yo.  Since, she's not yet that familiar with digits -- she can already count 1 to 10, though. :)

For the art assets, maybe you can modify the Firefox mascot I did as "cats" and the Gimp mascot as "dogs" :P  --  you only have to get the head part from the SVG file.

~creek23

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Monday, November 21, 2011 - 12:01

I might suggest picking up "Challenges for Game Designers" by Brenda Brathwaite and Ian Schreiber. The exercises are non-digital, but much of the information is quite useful for digital games as well. There is a chapter on "Games for Learning" that discusses how to make games that teach.

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waqas_haider_ahmed
joined 13 years 5 months ago
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 - 00:33

Thanks again Creek23. I really liked your idea and I spent an hour working on the concept yesterday. This is what I have compiled so far

http://www.freeteacher.co.uk/basic_math_reception.aspx

It is not linked anywhere else on the site as it is not fully tested. I always test every single page in as many browsers as possible before pubslihing, so kindly ignore if you come across any mistakes or errors as the page will be going through quality control.

Like you suggested, I ketp to the objects children can relate to. Results have been great as even my nine year old daughter liked it.

There are two other pages with similar idea being compiled for our 3+ section. 

Finally regarding the mascot, I am discussing your suggestion with my coleagues to see how we can integrate.

Thanks again for all your feedback, hope you like the page. Please do share more as it is much appreciated.

Regards

Waqas

Waqas

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creek23
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Tuesday, November 22, 2011 - 01:29
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Hi Waqas,

I am more liking it now.  Even more excited to show to my kid and see how she reacts -- as a developer, I also wanted my kid to be Math/Computer enthusiast -- not that I will have to shove Math into her.

Btw, can you have a specific Addition test page for now? My kid doesn't know how to Subtract yet. :D

As for the mascots, what I meant is for you to use it as the (supposed) familiar objects for children to count.

~creek23

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waqas_haider_ahmed
joined 13 years 5 months ago
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 - 20:30

Hi Creek23,

Thank you for your feedback. 

As you suggested, I have now created variations of the page, which gives the parent more control over the questions. Questions can now be selected based on addition, subtraction, mixed and by number of digits used. For example 0-5 or 0-10. I've done as much testing as possible and page is now live here 

http://freeteacher.co.uk/threeplus_maths_games.htm

Going back to your original point when you said "study their reactions to the games", I spent time with some children testing the pages and realised that they would do the math like 1+3 for example and then look at the keyboard to find number four. This slowed them down by at least 5-7 seconds, and then once they had found the number they looked at the monitor to check if the number was correct and click on the next button. I therefore created a small keypad on the page and now the children don’t need the keyboard, just the mouse. 

Please let me know if your daughter likes the page.

Thanks for your feedback and testing.

Regards

Waqas

 

Waqas

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creek23
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Tuesday, November 22, 2011 - 21:03
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The keyboard thingy is an cool idea -- this makes it easier for the child to answer.

Will sure have some tutoring as a Father-Daughter time this weekend.

~creek23

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wokste
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Wednesday, November 23, 2011 - 03:53

I am neighter a child, nor a teacher but I will try to give a design of a math game.

  1. You get questions, like normal. Questions will give you 5 points each if awnsered correctly.
  2. If you awnser it wrong, you lose 1 life (out of 5)
  3. For each 100 points you go up 1 level. If you level up you have less time to awnser questions, or more difficult questions. If possible, give all levels a theme.
  4. bonus points can be scored by
  • 25 points for awnsering 10 questions correctly in a row.
  • 5 points for awnsering it quick (< 15 sec.), or +10 points if really quick (< 5 sec.)

Some other advises:

  • Never use penalties! but hand out bonusses whenever possible. This will give the player the feeling that they are good, and allow the persons who are good to pass easily throug the "boring" levels.
  • Save points can be used to cut even more through the boring bits.
  • Achievements and PERSONAL high scores can be good motives as well.
  • Read a book about game design

 

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Wednesday, December 7, 2011 - 18:14

I think the counting images is the easiest for the kids to understand. you could easily do something like counting caterpillers and the result turns them into a butterfly with the result.

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Thursday, December 8, 2011 - 05:18

Hi Wokste,

Thank you for your help, I only found out about your message just now. I really appreciate your advice and will reply to your suggestion in detail. I just wanted to post the message so that you know I've only read your message today.

Regards

Waqas

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F8_Sean
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Wednesday, May 2, 2012 - 05:12
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"So my question really is that how do you take an educational subject and turn it into a game, which is interesting for age 4-11 year olds."

I think you're describing a very wide age range here. When I was 4, my family bought their first computer and I sunk a lot of hours into Math Blaster. For basic math skills, I don't think I've seen a better example of gamification. When I was 11, I was more into solving puzzles and playing adventure games like Myst and The Journeyman Project.

If you're designing for the web, it might be a little harder to keep the attention of the older age range unless you're using UDK or Unity running as a plugin. If you DO want to write games for the older age group, I'd suggest requiring outside research as a gameplay element. Carmen Sandiego did this for geography, but you could apply the idea to any subject. Present a problem, link to the appropriate resources, and let the students discover the solution on their own.

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