Skip to main content

User login

What is OpenID?
  • Log in using OpenID
  • Cancel OpenID login
  • Create new account
  • Request new password
Register
  • Home
  • Browse
    • 2D Art
    • 3D Art
    • Concept Art
    • Textures
    • Music
    • Sound Effects
    • Documents
    • Featured Tutorials
  • Submit Art
  • Collect
    • My Collections
    • Art Collections
  • Forums
  • FAQ
  • Leaderboards
    • All Time
      • Total Points
      • Comments
      • Favorites (All)
      • Favorites (2D)
      • Favorites (3D)
      • Favorites (Concept Art)
      • Favorites (Music)
      • Favorites (Sound)
      • Favorites (Textures)
    • Weekly
      • Total Points
      • Comments
      • Favorites (All)
      • Favorites (2D)
      • Favorites (3D)
      • Favorites (Concept Art)
      • Favorites (Music)
      • Favorites (Sound)
      • Favorites (Textures)
  • ❤ Donate
Feedback

Moderation queue

nosycat
Tuesday, July 29, 2014 - 02:08
nosycat's picture

A few days ago, I started a new topic in the Show Off Your Project forum, and it's been held in the moderation queue ever since. That's all right, it's not like I'm in a hurry, but the problem is that in the mean time I can't access my post at all. What if I want to edit or delete it before it's seen by a moderator? There's not even an indication, anywhere in the website, that I have a post held in moderation at all.

(Speaking of the moderation queue, I changed the project link and description in my profile months ago, and the new ones were never approved OR formally rejected. Again, it's hardly important, since I spam OGA with enough links as it is, but still, what gives?)

Just curious. Thank you.

 

  • Log in or register to post comments
bart
joined 13 years 10 months ago
Tuesday, July 29, 2014 - 06:21
bart's picture

Sorry about that.  Thge forum moderation queue is kind of wonky in that even if a post is approved, it gets held in a weird state where it's "invisible" unless an admin edits and re-saves it.  I've instructed people on this, but it's likely that someone approved your post and forgot this (non-obvious) step.  I'll try to find it.

As for the user profile, I've got a huge backlog of them that I need to tackle.  User profiles are where we get the majority of our spam, so I had to put the approval system in place, but there are just too many to be easily dealt with (there are about 900 right now).

There are a few possible solutions to this:

  • Make all user profile links "nofollow" and then make them public
  • Only put the profiles of active users in the approval queue (that is, users who have posted something other than a profile, or have at least logged in once after registering)
  • Build some sort of system where registered users can see a few profile links on the front page and flag them as either legit or spammy

I think I like the second option best.  The first one is unfair to legit users and the third one is too random and inconsistent.

At any rate, your profile is approved.

  • Log in or register to post comments
nosycat
joined 13 years 7 months ago
Tuesday, July 29, 2014 - 07:04
nosycat's picture

Thank you very much, and sorry for raising a fuss!

  • Log in or register to post comments
bart
joined 13 years 10 months ago
Tuesday, July 29, 2014 - 07:35
bart's picture

No problem.  This is another one of those things I'm going to have to address sooner rather than later. 

  • Log in or register to post comments
shirish
joined 14 years 10 months ago
Tuesday, July 29, 2014 - 11:02

@bart if you want/feel like it, I am willing to help out with either the moderation queue or the user profiles. I can't and don't claim in expertise other than calling out spam.If you need a hand, just holler me. You have my e-mail credentials as well.

  • Log in or register to post comments
bart
joined 13 years 10 months ago
Tuesday, July 29, 2014 - 12:50
bart's picture

I might take you up on that once I fix the queue to only show people who have actually accessed the site after first creating their profile.  A lot of people create drive-by profiles and never come back.  If someone makes a profile and never looks at the site again, they won't really be around to care if their profile is visible or not. :)

 

  • Log in or register to post comments
bart
joined 13 years 10 months ago
Tuesday, July 29, 2014 - 14:13
bart's picture

I've optimized the query a bit to figure out which users are in need of approval, and I've narrowed it down to less than 300 accounts.  Worse than I'd hoped, but a lot more manageable regardless.  Other people will pop up in the queue if they ever, ya know, access the site again. :)

  • Log in or register to post comments
Redshrike
joined 15 years 9 months ago
Tuesday, July 29, 2014 - 14:56
Redshrike's picture

I can help with the obvious ones, though I noticed that recently a number of the ones that got through had remarkably realistic usernames (I suspect they may finally be doing what I would do, harvesting real usernames from membership lists).

  • Log in or register to post comments
bart
joined 13 years 10 months ago
Tuesday, July 29, 2014 - 15:34
bart's picture

What I'm hoping is that these changes will make it so that the vast majority of the ones I have to sift through are in good faith.  I'm going to try moderating some accounts this evening and report back.

  • Log in or register to post comments
bart
joined 13 years 10 months ago
Tuesday, July 29, 2014 - 16:18
bart's picture

So, turns out my filter is getting some false negatives that I can't quite figure out at the moment, but it's time to stop working on it for the day.

At least, the 300 or so accounts that did remain in the approval queue were all legit except for one, so it was a pretty solid heuristic.

  • Log in or register to post comments
Arcanorum
joined 10 years 8 months ago
Wednesday, October 8, 2014 - 06:31
Arcanorum's picture

I made a topic 4 days ago in Resource Requests that I have heard nothing from since. It was kinda lengthy, I hope it isn't lost to the cyber-abyss. =L

Roughly, what is the average approval time that I should expect to wait before I start getting worried?

Stay a while and listen.

  • Log in or register to post comments
bart
joined 13 years 10 months ago
Wednesday, October 8, 2014 - 07:13
bart's picture

Sorry about that.  The spam filter is funny about forum posts.  Sometimes it just makes them invisible on the main forum without notifying me or marking them as unpublished, which means I don't see them.

Your post is live now.

  • Log in or register to post comments
Arcanorum
joined 10 years 8 months ago
Thursday, October 9, 2014 - 01:35
Arcanorum's picture

I've just edited my OP on that topic, now it has disappeared.

I can still access it, but it doesn't show up anywhere on forums. =(

Stay a while and listen.

  • Log in or register to post comments
MedicineStorm
joined 12 years 8 months ago
Thursday, October 9, 2014 - 02:40
MedicineStorm's picture

Speaking to spam accounts; The number of spam users I was getting on my own forums dropped off dramatically after I started using http://stopforumspam.com/

I set up their automatic spamification thingy that checks new users against a database of known spammers, but even without the automatic part, it's pretty useful for manually determining if a new user is a known spammer or not.

Don't know if you have something like this already, but thought I'd share just in case. :)

--Medicine Storm

 

  • Log in or register to post comments
SpiderDave
joined 12 years 7 months ago
Monday, November 10, 2014 - 23:55
SpiderDave's picture

I made a topic days ago in Show of your Project and it hasn't appeared.   Can someone check for a technical issue?

  • Log in or register to post comments
Redshrike
joined 15 years 9 months ago
Tuesday, November 11, 2014 - 01:18
Redshrike's picture

This is an unfortunate technical issue that's been cropping up.  Unfortunately it's not something I can fix, but contact Bart and he will sort it out.

  • Log in or register to post comments
SpiderDave
joined 12 years 7 months ago
Tuesday, November 25, 2014 - 11:34
SpiderDave's picture

Still no response from Bart.  I don't even know who else would be able to fix this.  This is really disheartening; Making a thread shouldn't take weeks.

  • Log in or register to post comments
Redshrike
joined 15 years 9 months ago
Tuesday, November 25, 2014 - 14:19
Redshrike's picture

Oh dang.  I'm really sorry to hear that, I'll definitely bring it up to him or Botanic when next I see them on IRC.  Bart, as you might guess, has been pretty busy recently, so he must have missed your message.

  • Log in or register to post comments
Rammy
joined 10 years 3 months ago
Wednesday, February 25, 2015 - 10:51
Rammy's picture

I've got the same problem; posted my game in the showing-off-forum, but it is not yet visible. That was 8 days ago. Also, my profile shows this: Project link will be visible after this account is approved.

So maybe the profile AND the thread need to be approved?

I had no luck finding one of the admins as mentioned here in the IRC channel. I wrote BartK directly via IRC two times now, but didn't get a response so far.

This is kinda sad, because I think (hope) that my game has some relevance to pixel and sound artists in this community, as they will be able to upload their own work into an existing mmorpg. And of course, I'm already using some of the awesome free stuff here (e.g. from my previous speaker Redshrike). So this forum/site/community has a special place and meaning among my advertisements.

  • Log in or register to post comments
p0ss
joined 14 years 3 months ago
Wednesday, February 25, 2015 - 12:57
p0ss's picture

This issue should now be resolved for Spider Dave, Arcanorum and Rammy, their forum topics have been removed from the spam filter and should now be approved and published.  Please let me know if this hasn't resolved the problem for you. This was exactly the issue as described by Bart above, and the only solution is ongoing monitoring of the spam queue.

  • Log in or register to post comments
bart
joined 13 years 10 months ago
Wednesday, February 25, 2015 - 14:59
bart's picture

Tell you what...  I'm kind of curious how much spam is being stopped by the actual filter, versus how much is being stopped by the bot countermeasures I've put in place.  Lately I've been seeing a lot of very spammy stuff get through the filter and a fair amount of legit stuff get mod-queued.  I don't know how much, if any, the spam filter is deleting outright.

So I think what I'm going to do is disable it for an hour or two and see if we get a tremendous flood of spam.  If so, then clearly that's not the right solution.  If not, then it might be worth having people report the relatively small volume of spam that we get right now and not have all these problems with false positives keeping valuable posts from showing up on the forums.

 

  • Log in or register to post comments
bart
joined 13 years 10 months ago
Wednesday, February 25, 2015 - 22:04
bart's picture

Well...  the spam filter has been off all night, and unless people are suddenly unable to post at all for some reason, I'm fairly convinced at this point that it's of negative value to the site, and that it's my anti-bot measures that are keeping the influx of spam down.

If this holds true and we don't suddenly get inundted with spam later today, then I have to apologize for running the spam filter at all (if that's the case, I'm a bit irritated that I've actually been *paying* for it, since if it hasn't been silently preventing a huge volume of spam from being posted, which I assumed it was, it hasn't been much better than random chance at determining which posts are actually spammy).

 

  • Log in or register to post comments
p0ss
joined 14 years 3 months ago
Wednesday, February 25, 2015 - 22:35
p0ss's picture

Based on the logs, the spam seems to come in infrequent short bursts, which would imply they had been checking for gaps, looking for posting tecniques which get through. This is also reinforced by all the recent attempts to access wp-admin, methodically going through every possible url it could be at.  There is every chance they'll notice they aren't being blocked at some point and then launch a full scale spam attack. Probably not worth canceling the spam filter subscription altogether just yet.

  • Log in or register to post comments
bart
joined 13 years 10 months ago
Wednesday, February 25, 2015 - 22:59
bart's picture

Well, I'll keep paying for it.  It's only a few bucks a month.  That being said, it seems to me like it's not doing a very good job of actually filtering spam.  The "buy credit card numbers" crap seems to get through it repeatedly even though I've been reporting it as spam and it should frankly be obvious already.

Anyway, if we do get a flood, I can always turn it back on.  I'm just not convinced at this point that it really does very much good.  In fact, I've got my own module that I built that does some custom regular expression checks, and I find that, since spam tends to be people repeatedly posting the exact same crap, it tends to work pretty well, even though that's not the currently "accepted" way of identifying spam.

 

  • Log in or register to post comments
bart
joined 13 years 10 months ago
Wednesday, February 25, 2015 - 23:20
bart's picture

Also, maybe it's just me, posting comments feels a lot more responsive now.

  • Log in or register to post comments
Rammy
joined 10 years 3 months ago
Wednesday, February 25, 2015 - 23:24
Rammy's picture

The thread is now visible; thank you guys!

  • Log in or register to post comments
AnthonyMyers
joined 13 years 1 month ago
Tuesday, March 3, 2015 - 04:03
AnthonyMyers's picture

Can I get some one to look at my link also.

It's not a project link but it is the reason im on here it's a link to my work in hopes of getting more work its

abit frustrating to get 4 or 5 likes a week and to not have one job offer.

http://anthonymyers.artstation.com/

  • Log in or register to post comments
Redshrike
joined 15 years 9 months ago
Tuesday, March 3, 2015 - 06:31
Redshrike's picture

Your account is now approved.  I have no idea how it went so long without being approved tbh.  Sorry about that.

  • Log in or register to post comments
AnthonyMyers
joined 13 years 1 month ago
Tuesday, March 3, 2015 - 06:37
AnthonyMyers's picture

No problem Red your a gentelmen and a scholar thanks or the prompted response and keep up the good work

http://anthonymyers.artstation.com/

  • Log in or register to post comments
FacadeGaikan
joined 14 years 3 months ago
Thursday, March 5, 2015 - 03:58
FacadeGaikan's picture

I didn't read much of that, but you could make it so an account without at least one submission gets deleted in a week, and make it so you have to have one submission to post on the forums, ect. (Do I put two periods after an abbreviation, or would that annoy an English Marm, I wonder if anyone got both of those puns).

 

[ signature ]

  • Log in or register to post comments
Arcanorum
joined 10 years 8 months ago
Thursday, March 5, 2015 - 04:18
Arcanorum's picture

That would mean that my account would get deleted as I have no submissions.

Requiring one submission before being able to post on forums will just result in a spam of white squares or similar. It will be just as much a nusance to new users as to the spammers.

I notice the forum user signatures are appearing now. I didn't realise that they previously didn't show up.

Stay a while and listen.

  • Log in or register to post comments
FacadeGaikan
joined 14 years 3 months ago
Thursday, March 5, 2015 - 04:23
FacadeGaikan's picture

Well that was an uncooked idea. Thanks for not being offended.

 

[ signature ]

  • Log in or register to post comments