Galacti-Chron's Civilian Character Pack MV - Non-Chibi
This is a pack of 400 Female and 400 Male non-chibi RPG Maker MV Characters.
I can't stand the Chibi characters and thought the community needed a massive infusion of the non-chibi style. They are randomly generated so some of them look jacked up... But it's a good pack to get you started.
The admins took down the link for some reason on this page, so here's the official steam link:
http:̸/steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=805567116
Terms of Use:
Use these for whatever the hell you want, even commercial use.
If feeling Generous, please credit Galaci-Chron (or Section31) same difference.
Attribution from original parts:
The original parts for these characters (the hairs, clothing, pieces of the character) came from the looseleaf character generator and MACK. I am giving Mack credit for the original parts and I am attributing any way that I can in order to not have copyright trolls crawling down my neck for even thinking of using a tiny shred of somebody else's work to make things easier for somebody else.
Comments
This is fantastic! Thank you so much! I am definitely going to use these in my RPG.
Awesome!
How did you make these?
I used Game Character Hub...and then I got all the looseleaf character parts like armor and shit...and then I found a function in the app for the first time called "Randomly generate characters" and specified for it to use the looseleaf parts..and then it looked mostly ok except a few of them missing bodies.
Original character parts obtained from here:
http://www.geocities.jp/kurororo4/looseleaf/
But I used the program Game Character Hub to generate them. Getting Game Character Hub on steam also comes with all the looseleaf parts as a Steam Workshop item...But there's also a catch...
The sizes for the Looseleaf generator is for RPG Maker VX (which has lower resolution than MV)...So I also had to do the step of using batch image manipulation (GIMP/BIMP) and resized all of them to 150% of their normal size...I told the program to use nearest neighbor for the enlargement and they ended up looking like normal pixelated sprites. Yay!
Also since the Looseleaf generator was originally designed for RPG Maker XP, it's grid size is 4 columns and 4 rows...But RPG Maker VX Ace and RPG Maker MV have 3 columns and 4 rows...So I also had to go into GIMP/BIMP (batch image manipulation) and then cut off 25% of the width (1 column)
Also had to use an app called "Advanced Re-namer" to rename all the files in bulk fashion to have the $ sign before the name so that they would fit the right size inside the RPG Maker MV app.
Hah writing this all out makes it sound more complicated then it felt when I did it. Long story short it was a lot faster to do a ton at a time then to do them one at a time.
These look cool, and there's lots of characters which will be useful, I have concerns over the license thou, I clicked your link, and it's all in Japanese, at the bottom it says "copyright 2004-2009" Mack, so does that mean there is no copyright now it's 2016, or are they even public domain now or at all?
We are in the clear.
Mack style characters are from RPG Maker XP Days (a while ago). I totally think we're in the clear. It looks like you can use these parts or characters for anything, including commercial use..But they don't allow you to make collections of characters and SELL them commercially. Commercial use is ok in a game, but not selling the characters as a collection.
Mack would like you to credit him though in your production. Which I have by saying that I used the parts from his generator (thus giving credit to him and satisfying the terms).
Translated into english, the terms of use are as follows...
Terms of Use:
- About copyright display
image of this site, we use what has been created by the Loose Leaf administrator MACK. If you distribute the using the finished material game.
If you want to distribute the processing material (parts), contact is not required. The copyright notice is only to avoid the confusion to the user, the staff roll Special Thanks or lead me documents and manuals, such as the corner of the distribution site
? MACK ? http: //homepage3.nifty.com/looseleaf/
please write a copyright notice or give credit or something like that. For example, you can say that you used the "Loose Leaf character material synthesis simulator".
- About commercial use
For the distribution of the game works by using the material of this site, pay (shareware, commercial work, coterie software, etc.) can be freely distributed without regard free of charge.
However, regardless of the fee free of charge, distributed in the form of collected material Collection material alone, we have banned.Please go and sell as a game piece only.
I'm afraid this asset is definitely NOT in the clear for several reasons:
I have to mark this as having a licensing issue. I wish this asset could stay here. If anyone has better information on this, please speak up.
I think it's going to be ok...People get really caught up on copyright sometimes. I'm not making any money from this and just wanted to share with the community and have been completely upfront the entire time about where I got the original parts from.
I can deal with Mack in the courtroom if it comes to that but I think it will be ok.
Since the terms are so nebulous then it shouldn't be a surprise if there are misunderstandings or whatever...But that's not going to stop me from using it.
We're in the clear. I read it directly from Looseleaf generator website. I am not licensing this at all, just sharing it and said exactly where the original pieces of characters came from...
It doesn't matter though this happens any time that I don't draw everything pixel by pixel...No shortage of people telling me the thousands of ways that I might be violating just one tiny little copyright thing and get my content instantly removed. Been here done that before.
People are so uptight...No wonder there's so few resources available to the community, nobody shares and everybody is like "mine mine mine!!111!!!"
People should download the files before they get taken down by the admins.
Oh nevermind, the file has already been taken down...YOU GUYS SUCK! You probably care more about this than MACK does hah.
I love how you ask me how I made them and I tell you 100% the truth and you use it to just crack the whip when I'm following the terms of Use for the Looseleaf generator. Next time you ask a question I'll be a little less upfront about my answers because I don't want to get punished again.
Well in any case it's on Steam now for anybody who wants it.
Here's the link:
http:̸/steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=805567116
It also looks like Mack's homepage is offline. I was trying to contact him to ask if this was ok but no contact information because his website has been down for years. This resource is from 2009. I honestly think we're in the clear but there's a lot of people who are scared of grey area in copyrights.
Here's his homepage, gone.
http://homepage3.nifty.com/looseleaf/
Also the LooseLeaf generator parts literally come pre-bundled with the Game Character Hub program on Steam. Game Character Hub is a a commercial program and also did not attribute MACK at all. I went the extra mile to always include the original author for the pieces of characters but every time I'm upfront about it, my stuff instantly gets removed.
If they are able to sell their software with all the parts for looseleaf in it already without giving any credit to anybody then I should be able to share some of the characters I generated from it for free while also giving credit right? Man I fucking hate the arbitrary nature of copyright law.
Especially in light of no way to get in contact with MACK with his last update being from 2009.
I really think we're totally in the clear but it doesn't matter how many points I bring up...Your mind is made up already.
it is a shame, but Medicinestorm has clearly marked why, and instead of getting the ump about it, you should really be thinking about those reasons and accept them. Its to protect YOU and all those that would potentially use these assets from any come back later, whether or not they might be ok through some copyright or licensing issue, i can imaging working on a project for 2 years, and then to have the artwork/asset pulled because of a potential license issue, no one wants a pain in the arse like that, and would probly cause friction between the user, Author and OGA.So better to be safe then sorry, I can apreciatte you put a lot of effort into them, and i thank you for being honest, and you should be honest everytime.
So you don't care about others copyright, you don't care what repercussions that may have for others who use your submissions and plan to continue to the illegitimately licensed submissions and willfully screw over any future users.
You are the enemy of the commons.
If I had the power I would see that you were banned and stayed that way.
Also you're attitude draws suspicion to all you've previously submitted.
I don't care about copyright in general. I think it's a really backwards system that hinders innovation. But I try to not violate any rules obviously and I don't think I did in this case. If I don't want to share something I just won't post it on the internet, that's how I see it.
It's kind of funny when people release everything online, and then are like "no you can't use this!" It's ridiculous. But in this case, Mack has said that it's ok as long as I'm not selling these characters in a collection. I am giving them away as a collection (non-commercial use). He even said that Commercial use was fine, but only in a full game.
Here is an example of something that is better than the official version but would not be allowed under copyright law. Because of copyright law...CBS owns the rights to Star Trek...Even though other people care about it more and would make a better production than CBS:
Star Trek - Axanar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W1_8IV8uhA
Not saying that my random generated characters are better than the Mack orignals...Just saying that if Game Character Hub can sell an app for $9.99 with these parts inside, pre-bundled then I should be able to share some randomly generated characters I made from it (for free). Right?
I've been 100% honest and upfront on every single thing I've uploaded...and have had to fight you guys every step of the way to keep things up. Look at every one of the items I've uploaded and judge for yourself.
When I am honest I get challenged every step of the way, but if I keep quiet this thing would still be available for download.
Don't know why you are so harsh. Look at all my uploaded content and I provide evidence for every one of my claims.
I'm not an enemy of the commons...get your head out of your ass. I'm trying to help more people make games with cool looking characters faster. It will work if you let it!
I appreciate Mack for helping me, and so I will pay it forward and help others create characters faster.
You know what, you are not honest at all, your attitude "SUCKS", you have no respect for any artists at all, I cannot believe your ignorance and Surt is quite right, it does make all your submissions suspicious and I for one will not trust any of your work anywhere, should of known better really with a name like "section31" it's not a law that will save you all the time, or others who could be burned for your ripped off assets. I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.
My marking this as having a licensing issue was not as punishment. I didn't enumerate the issues with this submission to attack you or your work. Your honesty about where the assets came from is commendable and you should continue to be forthright. Being less honest about it would not have prevented this from being flagged with licensing issues. It would only have delayed it and pissed people off in the process.
I'm sorry if that has been your experience. I guess I'm not seeing that fight. Out of your 37 other submissions, only 2 even mentioned copyright, one of which agreed with you and the other you didn't respond to. Everything else is nothing but people complementing your work and saying they'll use it in a game.
You are free to take on the risk of copyright violations if you so choose (I don't recommend it) but when assets are posted here, others are taking on that risk without choosing to do so or even knowing about it.
We want you to share your work, but in this case, the work isn't yours to share. The asset you've created here is good work and would be very useful, but the parts used to make it are not allowed to be shared in this way. I even understand your desire to disregard copyright and share stuff anyway, but we cannot do that. It undermines the trust developers need when selecting assets for their game. I agree that copyright law needs to be reformed, but violating current copyright law is not the way to accomplish that.
I think the attitude about 'spending all this time working on this, but now you say I can't use it!? That's bullsh*t! If I had known I couldn't use it I would never have bothered with it at all!' should really illustrate exactly what we are trying to avoid. If someone came here, used this asset, only to find out after they spent a lot of time and effort incorporating them into a game that they have to rip them all back out again, they would be just as pissed as you are.
Game Character Hub is in violation of the law because they are using artwork derived from Enterbrain IP (the owner of all RPG Maker assets) Mack is also in violation of the law by distributing derivatives of Enterbrain IP. Like I said, we can't host it here even if other people have used it without getting in trouble (yet). They might not even know they're violating Enterbrain's copyright, but we do.
This wasn't an attack on you. Your songs are good. Your spaceships and planets are good. Your desire to share artwork and music is good. I urge you to continue sharing, just be sure everyone else is allowed to share it, too.
Everyone is allowed to share it. Who's stopping us?
Stopping us from sharing this asset? Enterbrain for one. Enterbrain is stopping us. Their license legally compels us not to share it.
Enterbrain's license has nothing to do with this character pack...Now your'e just making stuff up.
This character pack with it's parts come pre-bundled in the Game Character Hub program...which is a paid product.
MACK's original "license" as well allows redistribution. Also MACK kind of dropped off the planet in 2009. On multiple fronts here this character pack should be ok.
MACK's license says that as long as I'm not selling the pack as a collection then we're all good. I also did a significant amount of edits to the graphics to get them to work with RPG maker MV because it wasn't the correct grid size or resolution.
Get off your power trip, I only want to share and I haven't violated anything. It's just colorful pixels on a screen..let's get a grip here.
Maybe we could just change the license on this to OGA and then I can say it's cool for commercial use but credit mack and the looseleaf character Generator. Then we're all good even by your strict standards.
section31, you're free to believe any old thing you want, even though you're highly misinformed about, well, pretty much everything. Your free to find a place that thinks like you do and so whatever. But you can't decide to violate the rules for how this site is set up, or the law. Well, you can, but you face the repurcussions of that choice. It's not fair to make that choice for other people and impose your will on others. Just stop.
Nothing was violated. No terms violated. No laws broken...Was 100% honest about 100% everything here. Every piece of information I shared was used as a club...Just FYI for when you deal with other people.
You guys are just on a power trip and trying to stop somebody from sharing pixelated 2d characters.
It's always easier to ask for forgiveness than permission. Asking for permission..the answer is always no.
I think that pretty much sums up this entire exchange.
Freakin hilarious
I wasn't going to keep replying to this thread as I'm bored with your stupidity and didn't want to give you any attention, but then I thought, the more people that see this in the community of OGA, and see what you write, will realise what Sort of human being you really are.
You're just talking personally about me but I'm just more interested in game art. All of you keep talking about me though, I'm not that interesting...But you all seem to know so much about me that you somehow know what kind of person I am deep down.
I really don't care about copyright that much, anything that I make I just expect it to be shared over the internet and don't need credit or anything. It's not a crazy idea. That being said since I live in the year 2016 in the United States, with an extremely convoluted web of copyrights and patents in this era in history I have to deal with it as best as I can, but it doesn't mean it's necessarily correct or right just because it's there.
Nobody here has seriously questioned at all the concept of copyright in general...which I think would be a big mistake. You just accept it as morally right and you're fighting for justice and shit, but it's really not like that.
What I meant with that statement is that I don't care about it that much, I don't agree with it...If I released something I expect it to be shared because I put it on the internet. If I don't want to share it then I wont put it on the internet...simple as that. It's ok to see this differently.
Also by the way I never violated any copyright laws here...That's all in your head. I have gone above and beyond to respond to every one of your false claims. I have been 100% honest but you just don't like the honesty.
I'm glad it's picking up steam quickly on steam as well. I will make many more collections and then post them on this page as well as steam. It will help the RPG maker community to move away from Chibi style characters. I can just link to steam from your page and that way I can post it in both places still.
Way to go, sparky!
That'll learn those evil powermongers at OpenGameArt not to mess with YOU
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I get what your saying, but you can't do that here, your attitude towards copyright goes against a morality of respect and code of conduct towards every artist, it is very much frowned upon, don't you get it? Artwork here is not just about sharing, it is so developers can use in there projects, so copyright is very important to them, and they will not share you views on copyright, the same as I don't, in fact it angers me.if you want to share it, then use Instagram or something
In my opinion you may think your helping others but your not, you potentially putting them in a bad situation, and you are shitting on every artist if you continue to knowingly adapt and make deraitive works of copyrighted IPs, or already adapted deraitive works.
ive read section 31 of our UK legislation, may not be same in your country but it is what it is.
im done here now, so do what you like, I won't use your art, so I don't have to worry about it.
I don't think this has anything to do with morality...That's what I'm saying..It's what's in your head but it's not universal...not everybody thinks just like you do (or me for that matter).
Yes when people share, more developers can get content for their projects which means projects get done faster. When everybody has to make everything from scratch, then it takes way longer.
I'm not putting anybody in a bad situation at all. By sharing 2d pixelated characters I am doing no harm to anybody...You're full of it if you think that.
It's not my art...It's a randomly generated set of pixels to make character generation easier for people. I don't have delusions of grandeaur about any content that I share. I just am 100% honest and people try to pick that apart...I've been told I just need to not be as upfront and I'd be ok.
All art is built on previous art...If art was a new invention..adobe would be like "We own 20% of the profit from any art you make with photoshop" the only reason why that's not the case is because there's a standard of that not happening before the concept of copyright was invented at all. Just think about it serioulsy and not be so rigid in your ideology about copyrights being some sort of moral equalizer or something...I've never met a single person that was helped out by a copyright.
Wow. I've never seen somebody so vigorously defend their ignorance and admitted lack of regard of licensing and copyright laws.
Being ignorant of copyright laws is not the same thing as disliking and not enjoying copyright laws...and I haven't violated any copyright laws to boot..That's what I keep trying to tell you..It's cooked up in your head.
At the same time I can decide not to violate any copyright laws and at the very same time decide that I don't like copyright laws and would rather they were changed or altered. Try to think about the future man.
Basically...just because somebody has a different opinion than you about copyright laws does not mean they are ignorant about copyright laws. Also in many respects the copyright laws are often not enforced unless it's a huge company behind it...The copyright system is designed to protect corporations so they can milk one idea utnil the end of time. It doesn't do much to protect people or artists though.
@section31: This is a long post, but I strongly advise you to read it thoroughly before responding.
I've left this post open in the hopes that actual progess toward resolving the licensing issues would occur, but so far it is going nowhere. Section31, you say you've addressed every issue brought up about this submission, but you have not addressed a single one. What you have done is ignore the issues brought up and reaffirmed that nothing is wrong.
I have since discovered other, nearly identical, submissions by you that were marked with licensing issues by other moderators for nearly indentical reasons. This kinda seems like a pattern of denial, refusing to acutally address the issues and instead just plugging your ears and yelling "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" I doubt that was the intent, but I need you to work a little harder on addressing the concerns in terms of the rules of this site and copyright law. Why? Because the rules of this site and copyright are the rules I'm required to follow when allowing assets to be hosted here.
You are free to seek change in how copyright works, but I recommend doing it elsewhere. You may not ignore current copyright law here. That being said, let's try one last time to address the specific issues with this submission.
There are 3 issues that must be addressed, but let's do one at a time. If one can't be addressed, there's no point in moving forward from there. Let's start with the 2nd issue I raised earlier:
Some notes you should keep in mind when seeking a resolution to this concern:
Let me know if you have any questions about any part of this. Please don't be rude. I'm trying to resolve this. If admins were just on a power trip, I'm sure it would have been a lot easier to just ban you a long time ago. Your willingness to share is great, and I want that attitude to flourish.
As I've said a million times, I've followed looseleaf's terms to the letter. I provided those terms as one of the first posts in this thread when asked how this was made. You just keep saying I'm ignoring the terms but really I never have ignored the terms but I provided my commentary on copyright in general. Then you provided terms that did not even come from looseleaf but from enterbrain as far as how I'm violating terms..It really wasn't a fair comparison or relevant.
If a copyright was written in a vague fashion then it means I can interpret it in a vague fashion as well. In fact it seems like the company that makes the Game Character Hub program on steam interpreted it so loosely that they actually violated the terms by selling the parts as a collection (specifically banned by looseleafs agreement)...However I did not violate the agreement.
I don't have any questions because I'm quite clear that I did not violate any license of any kind, but I also provided my opinion on the licensing system in general. I thought it was ok for people to have differences of opinion about our copyright system but I guess I was wrong.
You should probably just lock the thread, this is going nowhere and the release seems to be going fine on steam so no worries man..I guess your community is just a bit smaller now. Good luck! You've been the most rude of all honestly.
Ok. Sorry you feel that way.
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